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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#106951: Aug 20th 2019 at 4:55:38 AM

And now I've seen Endgame again. I think I liked that more the 2nd time around, even if it has some serious misfires (much of the humor regarding Thor's physique, Nat's death, Cap's ending, the all-female charge) that keep it from scoring above an 8/10 for me. Actually, in terms of personal enjoyment I'd probably give this an 8-9/10, but being more objective and considering its flaws it's more around the 6-7/10 range. This was gonna be a longer post weighing more of the good and bad but I gave up partway through completion.

For anyone who's seen Endgame multiple times, how's it fared on rewatch?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106952: Aug 20th 2019 at 6:33:02 AM

My only problem was and still is the whole business on Vormir, the rest I love.

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#106953: Aug 20th 2019 at 7:04:45 AM

The Marvel Comics nerd in me found a lot to love in it, but the critical jackass in me found a lot to scorn too. <.< I have a hard time engaging with films on a Thermian level these days. I've consumed so much media in my life that I now usually wind up engaging more with the devices of storycraft than with the actual characters and universe.

I see things like Banner and Hulk's offscreen reconciliation and I don't think, "It's so cool that they made peace during the time skip." I think, "Wow, just threw that plot point right out the f*cking window, didn't we?"

I see things like Iron Man's sacrifice and I don't think, "What a noble and heroic thing he's doing." I think, "What an appropriate and compelling conclusion for his character arc."

I still cry at sad scenes and get happy at happy scenes and stuff. But my takeaways are usually "Could this scene have been done better?" or "Did this subplot go anywhere?" rather than "Can this character beat up that character?" or "Does Bob deserve happiness?"

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 20th 2019 at 8:06:00 AM

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#106954: Aug 20th 2019 at 7:13:02 AM

Maybe if he quits Hydra

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#106955: Aug 20th 2019 at 7:15:04 AM

Bob will only quit Hydra if he gets a better offer, and I'm not sure A.I.M. is really that much—

...

You know what? A.I.M. isn't literally Nazis, so I take it back. Go ahead, Bob. Be an Agent of A.I.M. Embrace it.

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#106956: Aug 20th 2019 at 7:15:47 AM

An AIMgent

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#106957: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:19:40 AM

I still really enjoy the film myself, but I'd say my biggest gripe that is carried over from Infinity War would be most of everything surrounding the Soul Stone. I get that they wanted to have it be mysterious and esoteric, but I have a bunch of questions in regards to how it actually works.

Also, I can kinda see why they didn't keep in most of the deleted scenes, but they should have kept in the scene where the heroes knell in honor of Tony's sacrifice. It was more poignant that way. Was there any reason other than time why they didn't include it?

Edited by Kakuzan on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:22:55 PM

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#106958: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:36:29 AM

[up] They mentioned that that scene was kind of redundant, since the panning shot during Tony's funeral basically hit the same emotional beats. Putting them back to back just made the ending feel a bit repetitive.

Source.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:39:35 PM

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#106959: Aug 20th 2019 at 9:57:36 AM

Ah, I see.

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#106960: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:13:45 AM

You can either have the kneeling scene or the funeral. Doing both crosses the line from honoring the end of Tony's journey to just plain stopping the movie to wank off about his character.

In film, there is such a thing as too much closure.

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#106961: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:29:07 AM

Remember when people complained that Return of the King went on too long after the climax and had three or four endings one after the other?

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#106962: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:57:13 AM

I would've preferred the kneel rather than the funeral since the funeral isn't particularly memorable in my opinion. Or rather than have it be for Tony specifically, it could have been more general, especially since Black Widow only gets a relatively short scene of rememberance.

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#106963: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:25:22 PM

Well, if you get rid of Tony's funeral, then that means Fury, Hill, and Harley don't appear at all in the film. And it be kind of weird to not show the former two after they got Snapped in Infinity War.

But different strokes for different folks.

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#106964: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:35:11 PM

True, but I'm more so saying that the scene itself could've been handled differently. As I said before, they could've made it into a more general memorial rather than what they ended up doing.

Also, is it true that the cast was Acting in the Dark in regards to that particular scene? If that is the case, that may be what my problem with it is. Compared to the usual good acting, it just feels kinda flat.

Edited by Kakuzan on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:38:17 PM

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#106965: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:13:03 PM

Looks like the Marvel-Sony deal is no more. Feige and Marvel Studios won't be involved with the next Spider-Man movie[1]

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#106966: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:16:24 PM

So...I guess that means Spider-Man will be recast again, will he?

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#106967: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:17:50 PM

Sony is just that arrogant or stupid. Can't wait to see Venom 2 hit below expectations.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#106968: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:19:30 PM

Tom Rothman can go to hell.

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#106969: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:21:45 PM

a dreaded word springs to mind

"REBOOT SPIDERMAN AGAIN!"

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#106970: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:24:23 PM

...The hell?

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#106971: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:24:52 PM

A reboot Spider Man after Tom Holland is fooish. Unlike ITSV no one cares about yet another PETER retelling.

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#106972: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:27:34 PM

Can’t believe Mysterio killed Peter just after Far From Home.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:28:41 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#106974: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:27:46 PM

Like, seriously, how the hell do you look at the successes of MCU Spider-Man and decide "Nah, we don't need the MCU, we can do it on our own."

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#106975: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:28:32 PM

Sources said there are two more Spider-Man films in the works that are meant to have director Jon Watts and Tom Holland front and center. Unless something dramatic happens, Feige won’t be the lead creative producer of those pictures.

It doesn't sound like they're recasting just yet.

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