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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The Black Widow movie needs to start with Natasha plummeting, record scratch, "I bet you're wondering how I got here"
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt should end with The Reveal that the whole movie is a story being told by Natasha in the Soul Stone dimension.
Disgusted, but not surprisedEnd with the reveal that Black Widow is still alive, and the one who hit the ground too hard
◊ was just a Mysterio illusion of a Loki illusion of a Skrull shapeshifted into an LMD wearing one of those spy masks from Winter Soldier.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Aug 15th 2019 at 11:02:02 AM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I like the idea that the one who died was a LMD, but that the Widow movie is going to reveal that Natasha is in some kind of horrible dire straits that she can't reveal and/or that she now has to pretend to be dead even from her closest friends for plot reasons, so losing that LMD was still losing her only line into the rest of the world.
Marvel is casting a Chinese-American secret agent character
. I'm guessing this is Leiko Wu for the Shang-Chi movie.
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An LMD is more of a suit than a robot depending on the writer, but yeah - I'm going for a loophole, essentially, that sacrificing everything without literal death would be enough to activate the sacrifice requirement of the Stone. That she lives, but that losing that body breaks Nat's will and remands her to half a life regardless (but still alive to have future appearances).
Unless they give Nat a Replacement Goldfish like they did Gamora, they're probably going to have to invent a loophole for it at some point anyway - especially if the Black Widow film takes off.
You know what would be cool? Awkwafina is also half-Korean, so they could have her play White Fox
, an agent with South Korea's National Intelligence Service.
Huh I was watching a video criquing Marvel’s current crop of cartoons topic went to Anya Corazón & she went on a rant about how Marvel’s Spider-Man (2017) done her dirty & I’m like after finding out stuff about “Holy shit, she actually had some pretty cool stuff” at least before Marvel generalized to her to just another spider-person.
Like magical spider tattoo, magic spider armor, grappling hook pistol cause she can’t make webs, a civil spandex she’d bring in some good stuff. Plus she’s Latina so another plus there.
I’m thinking it be really cool to see other spider-people brought on board one days but Peter has to be an adult first. Seriously that’s the important thing, like you can’t bring in Miles until Peter is well over 25 at least after all.
Marvel’s Spider-Man really shows what a fuck-up it is to have too many spider-people around the same age. You run the risk of diluting the brand.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."What was the video's issue with Anya in the cartoon?
Isn't Leiko Wu British-Chinese? It might be a different character from Leiko. Then again fake nationality is a thing in movies.
Edited by windleopard on Aug 16th 2019 at 1:34:22 AM
It was her being generalized to just another spider person as in powers & origin functionally identical to Peter. None of the things that made her unique, her code name is Spider-Girl instead of Araña & she was wearing her current comic costume which now I realize is really bland & nondistinctive.
That’s the problem with the cartoon, it has Peter, Gwen, Anya, & Miles all at the same age at the same school as super genius nerds & spider people yet only Miles has distinct abilities beyond the general power-set that started with Peter.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 16th 2019 at 3:59:22 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."What's more, in the comics one of Shang Chi's enemies is Fu Manchu's daughter. If they're compositing Fu Manchu's role into Mandarin, then the daughter characters could be fused together as well.
Well I, for one, am glad
the adjective turened out to be even more appropriate than initially intended.
But, moving on: Arana was also a pseudo-sidekick for Ms Marvel (Denvers) so if they wished to the MCU could use the sequel to introduce her.
I certainly hope they do.
Given the ambiguously metaphysical nature of how she died, if this were the comics, Nat would be back on her feet in short order. There are so many ways to write an 'out' for her death, and comic writers are very well-versed in undoing bad plot points.
What makes me reluctant to think they will is that this is the cinematic universe, which has historically been reluctant to undo character deaths. Even when they're dumb, like Quicksilver's. Even Phil Coulson who was explicitly resurrected to lead his own TV show is still considered "Totes Dead" by the Film Team.
So as much as I'd love for the Black Widow movie to bring Nat back and kick off a typical solo film trilogy like all the other characters get, I'm expecting a Swan Song.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Yeah, while I reserve the right to change my mind 5 minutes from now, I am leaning more towards establishing a new Black Widow or somehow leading in to the post Infinity saga Myth Arc as the tie-in to the "modern" story.
I really don't want it to establish a new Black Widow.
Fans have been fighting for years to get this film made because they identified with Nat. It would be a final insult to injury for Marvel to go, "We're finally making a Black Widow film series! But it's still not the Widow you actually wanted, because f*ck you."
I'd honestly rather it just be a single one-and-done prequel than for Marvel, in yet another act of tone-deafness, to write the specific Black Widow character fans fell in love with out of her own film series.
People didn't spend years fighting for this movie to exist because they just wanted a movie to exist that has the words "Black Widow" in the title. They did it for Nat.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 16th 2019 at 8:45:38 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The movie Nova Corps could conceivably move into more comic book style after their terrible drubbing by Ronan and Thanos.
James Gunn just didn't like powerful helmet man Nova and wasn't going to use it for his movies. And also he wanted Peter Quill to be the only human or half-human in space. Hence Drax not being a dead guy shoved into a green man.
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:11:27 PM
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I imagine Sony is a influence on that. Sony has the rights to Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman. Marvel/Disney can use Jess, but not call her Spider-Woman nor display powers. She could be used, but only as a agent or PI, with no powers.
Of course, Marvel is unsure how long how Sony will play with them, so they're playing safe with what characters they introduce.
That's what puts Anya in a funny situation; seemingly, Sony has the rights to Anya as Araña, but Disney has the rights 'as Spider-Girl.
Edited by Akirakan on Aug 16th 2019 at 9:25:13 AM

They're probably not doing that though.
I think in the scenario where the tie-in is a successor, the framing device could likely sidestep Natasha's death completely and just be about her memorial. Either a proper dedication, or just some key people visiting the memorial.
Perhaps it could end with Yelena Belova (if my aforementioned theory on her is correct) going directly from the service to tie up a final loose end from the events of the main story. So instead of her saying that she is going to carry on Natasha's legacy, we are shown why she is capable of doing so.