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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106851: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:54:57 AM

Apparently the upcoming Ghost Rider show, despite starring Gabriel Luna reprising his role as Robbie Reyes, is not considered to be in continuity with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Except it is in continuity with SHIELD, it just won't be connected to SHIELD like, say, a spin-off would. I mean, Paul Zbyszewski, an EP on AOS is also an EP on Ghost Rider, so completely ignoring the origin they set up for him would be silly.

Hell, this is what Jeph Loeb had to say about the show:

"We started with Ghost Rider, we went out and managed to get Gabriel Luna to come back and reproduce the role he played on [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]"

—-

And nothing of value was lost.

Well, for me, at least.

FIGHT ME.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:56:10 AM

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#106852: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:54:58 AM

"Thats a terrible impression"

Also, Agents of SHIELD seemed to give up trying to one-sidedly tie into the movies somewhere in the last couple seasons. There were a few nods but AOS started just doing its own thing.

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#106853: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:56:26 AM

Which is probably for the best. They gave up on ever getting senpai MCU to notice them.

Which isn't to say the MCU hasn't kicked the Netflix shows in the teeth a time or two, as well. The most glaring being when Luke Cage was like, "Even a cubic centimeter of Chitauri metal costs A MILLION BAJILLION QUINTILLION ULTRADOLLARS." And then the Film Team was like, "Here's a dude selling Chitauri guns out of a van. Fifty bucks up front, I can get you a Leviathan."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2019 at 9:57:39 AM

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#106855: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:07:09 AM

I'm gonna have to agree that the show was kind of...meh.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
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#106857: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:28:07 AM

@Tobias- I love your way of summing up the Judas Bullets issue. Was trying to summarize that disconnect myself, but couldn't put it as well/amusingly.

My other issue is that while it wasn't "necessary" to explain Toomes' tech as derived from Cithauri technology, since in comics world, technical geniuses regularly produce that kind of stuff, it was used in a clever way in the movie and felt plausible as an explanation.

On the other hand, the Judas Bullets feel like a desperate or perfunctory attempt to connect the Netflix shows to the MCU, because armor piercing bullets already exist, and there's no real reason aliens are needed to explain why a somewhat more advanced fictional version exists.

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#106858: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:28:08 AM

Vulture's alien-based weaponry was also less shit than the Judas bullets so maybe Diamondback was an idiot and everyone who ever bought from him were also idiots.

Its not that much of a stretch, honestly.

See, you gotta comparison shop.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#106859: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:40:43 AM

In one scene the Captain is shown surviving to a Chitauri projectile, so it is strange that a simple bullet can potentially kill Cage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3odor8t9I (3:16)

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Aug 15th 2019 at 9:44:30 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106860: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:43:37 AM

In one scene the Captain is shown tanking a Chitauri projectile
The Captain? His name is the Captain?

...Also, I think Cap was hit with an energy weapon, not a projectile.

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#106861: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:06:09 AM

I thought the implication with the Judas Bullets were that they were made of the nigh-indestructable armor the Leviathans were wearing, not based on the footsolder's armor or weapons.

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#106863: Aug 15th 2019 at 11:51:11 AM

Shotgun-axe wins. It's a better design.

The gunblade's a weird f*cking design. It's a sword primarily used for swinging with a gun attached to the handle. This puts the blade directly along the bullet's trajectory, which can cause all kinds of major problems since you're supposed to pull the trigger as you swing the sword.

Wild ricochets and blade damage seem like they should be the norm.

The shotgun-axe, on the other hand, puts the blade outside the path of the shotgun. It's primarily used as a shotgun, with the ability to swing the axe as needed. The axe is basically a fancy version of a bayonet, which is a time-tested and proven feature for combat arms.

There are concerns that the weight added by the axe might affect accuracy, but that's the beauty of it. It's a shotgun. You're not exactly meant to be sniping with it.

Gunblades are like lightsabers; they're Awesome, but Impractical weapons that would require years of training just to achieve the same level of basic weapons competency as if you were just using an ordinary sword. But the shotgun-axe is a neat combination of weapons that go together like chocolate and peanut butter, with few real drawbacks.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2019 at 12:53:58 PM

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#106864: Aug 15th 2019 at 11:59:05 AM

I-

I mean-

Uh-

Hmm.

Damn it, I knew I should've picked the BFG 9000!

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 15th 2019 at 4:11:39 PM

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#106865: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:09:01 PM

[up][up]Yeah, but gunblades are cooler. Checkmate.

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#106866: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:10:27 PM

Are they though?

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#106867: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:13:19 PM

Shit, I shouldn't have called checkmate, it was just check.

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#106868: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:16:26 PM

Also, as an aside,

On the other hand, the Judas Bullets feel like a desperate or perfunctory attempt to connect the Netflix shows to the MCU, because armor piercing bullets already exist, and there's no real reason aliens are needed to explain why a somewhat more advanced fictional version exists.

It's funny how often media does this. Often, a work will introduce fantasy implements that are basically just normal things we have in the real world, but with magic doodly-bobs glued to them.

Like, we all know that Icers are just tranquilizer pistols that make a cool blue zap-zap when they fire. It's just repackaging shit we've had since the 50's as cutting-edge futuristic super-tech.

But it looks super cool. Plus the blue zap-zap lets us know when our heroes are not killing people versus when they are killing people, so we accept it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2019 at 1:17:26 PM

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#106869: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:17:21 PM

Also no dart so cleanup is easier and they can fit more zaps in the clip than darts. Zaps is smaller than darts because fewer letters.

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#106870: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:57:39 PM

Well, also, tranquilizer guns don't really work the way they do in movies. If you get hit with a tranquilizer dart, it'll take at least half a minute before you start feeling the effects, and a bit longer before you go from being woozy to actually unconscious. Then there's how, unless you know the size and general health of who you're shooting beforehand, you could easily end up shooting someone full of the wrong amount of tranquilizer: either so little that they don't collapse, or so much that they have a fatal overdose.

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#106871: Aug 15th 2019 at 12:59:23 PM

Marvel cinematic tranquilizer guns appear to work in the unrealistic way that movie tranquilizers do though.

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#106873: Aug 15th 2019 at 1:09:24 PM

I recall the very first episode of Agents of SHIELD has Simmons insisting that tranquilizers don't work immediately and then they use one in the episode that does exactly that.

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#106874: Aug 15th 2019 at 1:12:19 PM

I'm surprised nobody has called the Infinity Gauntlet or the Ultimate Nullifier

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#106875: Aug 15th 2019 at 3:33:55 PM

[up]We're supposed to keep things low powered, here.


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