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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106801: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:35:25 PM

I remember watching a video critique of the toxic ideas of masculinity in The Big Bang Theory & it pointed out that Raj the only Asian member of the cast was unable to find an ongoing love interest even long after the rest of the boys (all white) settled down and got married.

Its also a regular source of humor how effeminate he is & the other guys making fun of him for it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106802: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:38:58 PM

and that Steve's tragic love for Peggy was enjoyable to watch until it got Flanderized to the point of ridiculousness in Endgame

You realize, of course, that this means WAR!

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#106803: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:50:45 PM

Off-topic but fucking hell I think I actually hate everything about TBBT. It basically slots right into that category of unwatchably bad and obnoxious sitcoms for me that's also occupied by Family Guy and How I Met Your Mother. There may or may not be a pattern here.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#106804: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:56:57 PM

HEIMDALL!!!!!! Bring him back dammit he’s the best. He commits treason in every Thor movie and also he’s the only sane man.

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#106805: Aug 14th 2019 at 3:58:38 PM

Eh, I agree that the Peggy romance took a nosedive with Endgame, this Medium article articulates pretty well why it failed when previous films worked.

It mainly boils down to Peggy has no dialogue and thus not even a sliver of any kind of agency, making her a prop for Steve's arc and it's difficult to actually intuit what she makes of his choice, where before she had a very clear defined character.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106806: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:00:08 PM

If you want to watch a show that deliberately avoids the Asian male stereotype, watch Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. One creator (Rachel Bloom) stated that she had never seen the type of Asian men she knew in real life on TV — so she made one. Josh Chan in the show is an "Asian bro" and the main love interest to the main character.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106807: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:06:21 PM

> the Asgardians were reincarnated into human bodies and Thor had to travel the world and find them.

I'm not so keen on this,maybe its just the part of me that hates physical gods but I'd rather he survive somehow with a new identity rather then "He actually a god so he can't die"

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#106808: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:09:04 PM

Considering the cyclical nature of Norse myth it does fit nicely into Reincarnation as defined by Budd/Hinduism.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106809: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:16:31 PM

"Its also a regular source of humor how effeminate he is & the other guys making fun of him for it.

"

That is because being produce by chuch lorre from two and half men, Raj and early seasion Howard were pretty much Alan harper, the quintasencial weak, overly effimate and mockable guy.

"until it got Flanderized to the point of ridiculousness in Endgame"

I havent seen endgame, but it was also there in civil war, specially by kissing Peggy niece, there wasnt any way to not see that as anything but creepy.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106810: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:24:23 PM

@wisewillow: Wait, since when Heimdall committed treason in either the first or third Thor?

You're slandering my buddy and I won't stand for it!

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106811: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:27:36 PM

Heimdall, with very careful wording, lets the Warriors Three in Thor 1 use the Bifrost against Loki's wishes, then waits for Loki to fire him before he tries to take him down himself.

In Ragnarok, he leads the resistance against Hela, rescuing civilians and keeps his sword, key to the Bifrost, out of her reach.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 14th 2019 at 4:28:32 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106812: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:28:21 PM

If Heimdall comes back from the dead then he really is Jesus.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106813: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:31:44 PM

[up]x2 Fine, I concede the point in the first Thor, but not Ragnarok: Hela was not a rightful heir for the throne, she was a tyrant and usurper.

That means he had no reason whatsover to even consider obeying her.

And even if he had, he was still fired at that point.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#106814: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:32:50 PM

No no, I love that Heimdall commits treason.

Thor: Heimdall helps Thor go to Jotunheim, doesn’t tell Odin, then sends the warriors three to get Thor, then tries to attack Loki, the current ruler, with his fuckass giant sword which Loki only stops by freezing him in place.

Thor: The Dark World: Joins Thor’s plot to save Jane, then calls Odin out to the Bifrost so he’s away from the palace when Thor frees Loki and escapes with Jane.

Thor: Ragnarok: Abandons his post under King Odin (Loki in disguise), hides in the woods until Queen Hela arrives, then helps people escape from Hela and shelters them, helps bring Thor back to overthrow her, and fights her army.

So he commits treason against Odin twice, Loki twice, and Hela once. God bless him he’s great.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106815: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:32:53 PM

Thor straight up said when he returned to Asgard that Hela genuinely is the rightful heir, he's just not going to stand by because she's "just the worst."

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106816: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:37:46 PM

I fail to see how Hela could be the rightful heir considering her father disowned her by locking her up inside a Pocket Dimension for the rest of time.

Besides, I think the actual line of dialogue from Thor is "you have a claim to the throne".

A weaker claim than either his or Loki's considering neither was exiled to the middle of Das Bumfuck or whatever that place is supposed to be called.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 14th 2019 at 8:40:22 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106817: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:39:45 PM

I really was hoping that it would be the Isle of Silence.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106818: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:39:57 PM

The scene in question (skip to 1:01):

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106819: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:40:14 PM

It was Loki disguised as Odin residing as Asgard's king then, and even then Odin's proved many a time to be a kind of shitty person and king, so one could hardly blame Heimdall for giving him the slip, even if he didn't know everything about them.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106820: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:42:33 PM

> I fail to see how Hela could be the rightful heir considering her father disowned her by locking her up inside a Pocket Dimension for the rest of time.

It really doesn't matter that she was exiled,she came back to claim the throne because she had a strong claim being a blood relative (the laws of succession typically make their children have the strongest claim above all else)

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 14th 2019 at 11:43:45 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106821: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:42:59 PM

Hela's claim to the throne is legitimate, and in a way stronger than Thor's. Thematically, it's meant to tie in with how her power is drawn directly from Asgard. Thor realizes Hela can't be separated from Asgard, anymore than it can separate from its own imperialist past, so he has to settle for destroying both.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106822: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:44:47 PM

See this why I think she should been tricked into facing Thor on the Junk planet,hell,having her invade the planet they are on would make a great way bridge the two,where as in film they're rather disconnected

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#106823: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:45:05 PM

It’s the thought that counts. Heimdall/treason forever smile

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106824: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:53:00 PM

So hemidall is Marvel version of finn: for the good of universe he need to comit treason over and over.

I can lived with that

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106825: Aug 14th 2019 at 4:54:46 PM

... now I want to see Finn take down a tie-fighter with nothing but a dagger.


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