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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#106526: Aug 5th 2019 at 10:19:27 PM

Squirrel Girl that deliberately cheaps out on the budget of fight scenes would be nice.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106527: Aug 5th 2019 at 10:56:21 PM

Sensational, not the Hickman one, right? Because the superhero/lawyer with a more comedic bent could be good, but I wonder if people will compare it to Daredevil.
...I don't believe Jonathan Hickman has ever written She-Hulk (aside from a few one-off scenes in Secret Wars). And for me, personally, I would go with Charles Soule's She-Hulk run from a few years ago — Jen was a freelance lawyer who took on cases that were unusual or involved superheroes/supervillains. So kind of like Daredevil crossed with Jessica Jones, but instead of a PI, she's a lawyer and she doesn't so much fight crime as, uh, sue Tony Stark for stealing intellectual property.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106528: Aug 5th 2019 at 11:09:53 PM

She also represented one unlucky guy who suffered a Freak Lab Accident at Roxxon Industries. The accident ruined his life since it turns out being an atomic superhuman paragon of might is worse than useless if you want to have a life as anything but a superhero or supervillain.

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106530: Aug 6th 2019 at 9:54:22 AM

Someone made a chart of every character who's held an infinity stone.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106531: Aug 6th 2019 at 11:01:20 AM

[up]x2 I only read a few issues of that, but I remember it being friggin' hilarious.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#106532: Aug 6th 2019 at 11:49:38 AM

[up][up]

I got quite confused by that until I realized they included the gauntlet hot potato scene.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#106533: Aug 6th 2019 at 12:26:54 PM

@Ally Oop Eh, MCU films are kinda weirdly low budget anyway. If every movie made full use of the mountains of money it has as support then I'd think that'd be a fun idea.

Just Having Fun
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106534: Aug 6th 2019 at 12:32:32 PM

Honest Trailer: Return of Alan

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106535: Aug 6th 2019 at 12:52:05 PM

Some good and accurate gaffs at Endgame in this one. At the end of the day I think Endgame is a highly enjoyable, well-made, emotionally resonant conclusion to the Infinity Saga...that at the same time happens to have a whole bunch of bullshit and stupidity strewn about.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#106536: Aug 6th 2019 at 3:17:00 PM

That One Punch Woman remark for Captain Marvel really makes me want to see a similar character arc for her in Captain Marvel 2. Basically, she's become so strong that nothing's a challenge for her anymore after the events of Endgame. As a result, she's bored out of her mind. Of course, she's a lot different from Saitama in terms of personality, but that baseline's a very interesting place to start with.

The legend has returned.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#106537: Aug 6th 2019 at 3:49:13 PM

That kind of character arc works for Saitama because he's a depressed NEET who lives alone in a crappy neighborhood and has no friends, his actual character arc is about him converting his hobby into a career, making friends in his new line of work, and moving into a better neighborhood, all to improve his mental health. He's just not aware of it because he's obsessed with finding a Worthy Opponent.

That doesn't work so well for Carol, who has friends, a family, a nice home, and is admired as a hero throughout the galaxy.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 6th 2019 at 3:51:19 AM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#106538: Aug 6th 2019 at 5:39:09 PM

Carol also just plain isn't a Blood Knight. I think if she found herself in a position where she had the unparalleled power to right all wrongs in the universe and no force of evil could ever stand up to her, she'd think that was a pretty awesome deal and get right to work.

The same is true for most superheroes, really. It works for One Punch Man because that's a shonen anime/manga, which is all about training hard to overcome greater and greater nemeses. But this isn't shonen. It's hard to picture Captain America, Iron Man, Superman, Batman, etc. sitting around moping 'cause they don't have any villains who can take them in a fight. They don't do it for thrill of battle. They do it to save lives.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 6th 2019 at 6:41:51 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106539: Aug 6th 2019 at 5:45:35 PM

[up]Thor does seems to enjoy a good brawl.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106540: Aug 6th 2019 at 7:04:52 PM

Yeah, but that was arguably at it's strongest back in his first movie.

I love Saitama...but he's kinda a prick, what with just sitting around doing jack because he only cares about making himself satisfied. Though he's getting better in regards to doing more heroic things, even if it's mostly by accident.

One Strip! One Strip!
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#106541: Aug 7th 2019 at 4:48:27 AM

[up][up][up]And here is the primary reason I prefer comic book superheroes over shounen protagonists. I never was a fan of this aspect in shounen, personally.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#106542: Aug 7th 2019 at 5:19:16 AM

In fairness, plenty of shonen heroes do care about saving lives. Saitama is really more the exception to the rule.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#106543: Aug 7th 2019 at 6:25:12 AM

Saitama is inherently a satirical character so he doesn’t really count.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#106544: Aug 7th 2019 at 6:55:05 AM

Yeah, but what he's satirizing is a genuine phenomenon.

The ur-example of the shonen hero is Son Goku, a man whose desire to protect lives comes secondary to his desire for an interesting and compelling fight.

After pulling his team together to score a miracle victory against the genocidal conqueror Vegeta, Goku let him leave in the hopes that one day, he will come back to wipe out the Earth even stronger than before and Goku can have another thrilling fight with him.

Spider-Man would call that logic "crazy-town banana-pants".

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 7th 2019 at 7:58:00 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106545: Aug 7th 2019 at 6:58:31 AM

It's not really that common even in Shonen. Goku is one of the only real examples of taking the Blood Knight thing too far. And it's explained in-universe as being a very common (though not universal) inherent trait of pure-blooded Saiyans.

Heck, DBZ arguably deconstructs that mindset by showing the consequences of it. Both Goku and Vegeta allow very bad shit to happen because they want a good fight.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:00:23 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106546: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:01:10 AM

Gdi Goku

And yet they keep doing it

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:01:50 AM

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#106547: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:26:27 AM

On one hand, Vegeta helped save the world multiple times.

On the other hand, the world needed saving because of Vegeta's own multiple fuckups.

So...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106548: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:10:42 AM

He's stopped doing that since the end of Z. He hasn't endangered the world once in Super, and has done everything in his power to save it...

...well, not counting the second Frieza fight. It was said that if he and Goku cooperated, they'd have won that fight hands down, but they both refused to do that due to Saiyan Pride (though that one was more in Vegeta's case).

While they both were still unwilling after the entire thing was over (even though the earth blew up and it was only a cosmic reset that fixed it), they both do work together better later on...as in they're willing...not that they work together well.

I guess the Avengers are better; they're fighting has only destroyed the planet one time.tongue

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106549: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:30:15 AM

I still don’t understand where the fuck Saiyan pride comes from

They don’t have jack to be proud of. And it’s not like Vegeta shies away from fighting in groups if it helped take on someone stronger.

It’s like Vegeta made up Saiyan pride out of wholecloth someday after Namek and then Goku just decided it was real if Vegeta said so

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 7th 2019 at 11:44:51 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106550: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:32:10 AM

It's pretty much Cultural Posturing from someone overcompensating for being reduced from a Prince to a glorified slave to the guy who took everything from him.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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