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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#106451: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:22:00 AM

god damn it humans

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#106452: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:22:50 AM

Didn't Ultimate Reed turn into, like, this ultra-wicked supervillain with an ass-ugly helmet? And then later jump tracks to the 616 for some f*cking reason?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:25:08 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106453: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:23:13 AM

God, the Ultimate Fantastic Four were especially terrible. And this is coming from someone who really doesn’t like 616 Reed Richards.

Wait, no, this is the continuity where Blob ate Jan and Cap was a racist asshole. Right. It’s all shit.

Except Spider-Man.

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#106454: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:24:44 AM

Don't know who was doing a post-mortem for the Ultimate U and went, "You know who we really need to bring over to the main comic line? I mean, Miles Morales, OBVIOUSLY, but you know who else fans absolutely love and treasure and will go nuts over? Evil Ultimate Reed Richards and his ass-ugly head cone."

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106455: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:25:32 AM

Didn't Ultimate Reed turn into, like, this ultra-wicked supervillain with an ass-ugly helmet? And then later jump tracks to the 616 for some f*cking reason?
Ultimate Reed became "the Maker," a supervillain dedicated to SCIENCE! And yes, he wore a giant helmet, something that apparently Hickman loves to make people do.

In any case, he didn't so much "jump tracks to the 616" as "Owen Reece sliced him up into pieces and he found himself on every single alternate Earth when the Multiverse was recreated." Hence, Al Ewing describing him as "The Maker: he comes in slices."

Also, the Maker is pretty good. The concept of "Reed Richards, But Evil" is an interesting one and Hickman and Ewing did quite a bit with it. Also, he was the leader of W.H.I.S.P.E.R. (World Headquarters for International Scientific/Philosophical Experimentation and Research).

Edited by alliterator on Aug 1st 2019 at 11:27:43 AM

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#106456: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:32:20 AM

Ehhh, I'll take your word on it. I don't remember much about Ewing but I remember utterly loathing Hickman's run on Avengers for being several years of nonstop inscrutable weirdass cosmic shit.

Pretty much everything from "Primordial alien race plants seeds of life on planets and is now trying to kill all the planets because reasons! All the superheroes can't stop them, but it's okay because Space YHWH is here to annihilate them with an emphatic gesture!" to "Every universe in the Multiverse is colliding into each other, and we need to go into other universes and plant bombs in those universes to blow them up and stop them from colliding with our universe! OH NO, WE FAILED AND ALL UNIVERSES HAVE MERGED TOGETHER INTO COSMIC TANG!" has entered my mental file as one prolonged Dork Age of Marvel Comics In General.

I jumped off right before everyone literally became Nazis or whatever Secret Empire's about. Marvel's comics got really f*cking weird at some point, and not in a good way.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:35:47 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106457: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:43:09 AM

I don't remember much about Ewing but I remember utterly loathing Hickman's run on Avengers for being several years of nonstop inscrutable weirdass cosmic shit.
I think you would like Al Ewing's comics, just because they tend to have a lot more fun with things, while Hickman's comics tend to be a lot more "serious people doing serious thing."

Ewing wrote Captain America and the Mighty Avengers that canonized Nextwave (it also featured Spider-Man saying — after he learned the Beyonders were responsible for the Incursions - "Oh god, I should never have taught that guy to poop!") and then post-Secret Wars, he wrote New Avengers (2015) and U.S.Avengers, which turned Sunspot into a Batman Gambit genius who outwitted the Maker and every other supervillain, and The Ultimates (2015), which was simply amazing and turned Galactus into a good guy.

Currently, he's writing Immortal Hulk, which is on everyone's "best of" list, won several Eisners, and now manages to outsell Batman. It's also terrifying, because he's turned the Hulk into a horror story.

Edited by alliterator on Aug 1st 2019 at 11:46:19 AM

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#106458: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:45:32 AM

Maker’s kind of a fun mad-scientist villain.

Also Hickman does love bodysuits & big-ass helmets cause Prof. X is currently wearing those thing.

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#106460: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:57:13 AM

Ewing wrote Captain America and the Mighty Avengers that canonized Nextwave (it also featured Spider-Man saying — after he learned the Beyonders were responsible for the Incursions - "Oh god, I should never have taught that guy to poop!") and then post-Secret Wars, he wrote New Avengers (2015) and U.S.Avengers, which turned Sunspot into a Batman Gambit genius who outwitted the Maker and every other supervillain, and The Ultimates (2015), which was simply amazing and turned Galactus into a good guy.

Ooo, I do recognize New Avengers 2015 and The Ultimates 2015. I can concur, those were both a lot of fun.

I think U.S.Avengers was just getting started around the time I jumped off from reading comics.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:57:20 PM

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#106461: Aug 1st 2019 at 11:57:30 AM

[up][up]Taika Waititi is the Thor director we deserve, and the one we want.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 1st 2019 at 2:57:55 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106462: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:00:48 PM

I think U.S.Avengers was just getting started around the time I jumped off from reading comics.
US Avengers was great and it had one of the few tie-ins to Secret Empire that I loved (you can read about it here). Unlike New Avengers, it didn't have a proper ending, but rather combined with Avengers and Uncanny Avengers into the weekly serious Avengers: No Surrender, which was highly awesome. (The sequel, Avengers: No Road Home, was also awesome, too.)

(Also, if you get the chance, you should read Ewing's Loki: Agent of Asgard and Contest Of Champions.)

Edited by alliterator on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:04:52 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#106463: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:03:00 PM

Surprisingly Sunspot made for an amazing leader.

He’s a good example of possible integration between the X-Men & Avengers.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:03:10 PM

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#106464: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:07:03 PM

He's a good example of literal integration between the X-Men and the Avengers. After the Avengers v. X-Men event comic, there were multiple efforts to integrate mutants into the Avengers. It was an effort, both in-universe and out, to normalize the idea of mutant heroes just being normal superheroes, no different from Spider-Man or Captain Marvel or Thor.

Sunspot's New Avengers was one of those efforts. He and Cannonball were offered the chance to join the Avengers, they accepted, and they built their own team under the Avengers branding. And they took over A.I.M. and made it a force for good, which was amazing.

Mind you, there were some missteps along the way. Uncanny Avengers famously ran headlong into controversy right out of the starting gate when Cyclops's brother Havik gave a speech about how we shouldn't use the word "mutant" anymore. This upset a lot of real-world minority readers.

But New Avengers really made the idea work.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 1:11:50 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106465: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:28:00 PM

It helped that Sunspot and Cannonball were two of Hickman's favorite characters.

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#106466: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:36:00 PM

To answer the question yes Reed was evil at the point when future Sue came back in time as Kang and tried to get Reed and Sue back together by telling him about the Infinity Gauntlets

Storyline bad.

At the end of it present Sue told Reed that if she absolutely needed to have a destiny baby to save the future she’d just take his genetic material with no input needed from him at all.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 1st 2019 at 3:37:07 PM

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#106467: Aug 1st 2019 at 1:01:10 PM

It was an effort, both in-universe and out, to normalize the idea of mutant heroes just being normal superheroes, no different from Spider-Man or Captain Marvel or Thor.

And while Hickman’s new run of the X-men looks fascinating, because it seems to be trying something new after decades of ‘’mutants are being genocided again’’, it feels like this idea, of mutants as heroes themselves has been lost.

It makes sense, because they have tried that in universe and nothing changed (things got worse in fact) but still.

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#106468: Aug 1st 2019 at 3:19:06 PM

Al Ewing also wrote Loki: Agent of Asgard, which is probably one of my favorite comic runs of all time and right at the top of "storylines I would love to see the MCU adapt but will probably never happen". Primarily because it's not only very meta, but a lot of what happens in it happens in response to concurrently running events (mostly AXIS and the then-upcoming Secret Wars), and I don't think the stars will ever align to have those happen at the same time as any given Loki project.

Edited by Khfan429 on Aug 1st 2019 at 3:20:55 AM

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#106469: Aug 1st 2019 at 3:24:03 PM

So I was rewatching Endgame just now, and a small, insignificant but amusing detail struck me.

War Machine has one hell of a big nose.

Hey, I did say it was insignificant. tongue

[up]Oh yeah, loved that shit.

They could just take the basic premise and adapt it to the current status quo of the MCU.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106470: Aug 1st 2019 at 3:35:57 PM

I wonder if the War Machine armor can turn into a sports car now.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#106471: Aug 1st 2019 at 6:53:31 PM

I freaking love U.S.Avengers. I know Yinsen said his family were all dead, but I would love it if his daughter Toni Ho showed up in the MCU.

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#106472: Aug 1st 2019 at 6:54:13 PM

"He meant dead to him."
"oh."

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 1st 2019 at 9:55:00 AM

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#106473: Aug 1st 2019 at 7:19:29 PM

And man, was A.I.M utterly wasted in Iron Man 3.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106474: Aug 1st 2019 at 7:31:07 PM

Yeah, they need to bring back AIM and give them those beehive suits.

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#106475: Aug 1st 2019 at 7:35:42 PM

Actually Iron Man 3, although it wasted them, sets it up perfectly for them to become outlaw scientists

Because of what Killian was up to, anyone associated with his organization would have ended up in a shit ton of trouble and either surrender themselves or go underground!

Bam! Bee suited criminal scientists

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