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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah. Whenever people who aren't Hydra go after the Avengers, its' because of Stark.
It's the reason Wanda and Pietro hated them, and I get the feeling Zemo, while not a fan of the group as a whole, wasn't particularly enamoured with Stark either.
I mean, it's Tony Stark. Hating him is logical.
This.
An important note about Zemo is that he wasn't mad about Tony building Ultron. As with everything else in Civil War, Zemo's beef was about his family being collateral damage.
Civil War goes to great lengths to never talk about actual crimes committed by individual Avengers. It instead keeps the focus on "The Avengers are reckless heroes who constantly get innocent people killed in their huge super-battles and don't give a f*ck." That's Ross's criticism, it's Zemo's criticism, and even Tony himself lends voice to it.
It's a bit jarring given the great lengths Age of Ultron went to depict the Avengers working to minimize collateral damage. But it is what it is. So while it might make sense for Zemo to blame Tony for building Ultron, that's not his character; he's mad at all of the Avengers for recklessly disregarding the lives of him and his family in the Sokovia battle.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 10:24:49 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It seems understandable to me. The Avengers acted to minimize casualties but that doesn’t mean that there weren’t any. It’s laudable that it was their first priority. But people may have died anyway. It’s like Civil War. Wanda minimized deaths by launching the explosion into the air but some people died anyway. It was better than if she hadn’t acted at all but it became something to latch onto.
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Well, Zemo is being unfair in that regards.
We have always seen the Avengers do everything in their power to keep collateral damage to a minimum.
But since his family still died, obviously they didn't do enough right? That's shortsighted...or it would be if Tony and Wanda weren't directly responsible for the destruction of Sokovia.
So there we go I guess.
One Strip! One Strip!Eh, it wouldn't have been jarring for me if everyone else in the movie didn't agree with Zemo's interpretation of events, including actual Avengers.
"[Charles Spencer] wanted to make a difference, I suppose. I mean, we won't know because we dropped a building on him while we were kicking ass." ~Iron Man, describing whatever movie he was watching instead of Age of Ultron. Man of Steel, I suppose?
In any case, the point is, Zemo's beef is with the Avengers as a whole. So there's no reason for him to put his beef aside just because Tony, Cap, and Nat are gone.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 10:44:40 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Tony was watching the Tony Stark Guilt Power Hour starring Tony Stark written and directed by Tony Stark best boy Tony Stark
Forever liveblogging the AvengersNot gonna is, I wouldn’t be mad if Kang the Conqueror showed up and it was, like, a rogue Tony Stark AI from the future. And then the final battle of the entire MCU was everyone against Tony.
I’d prefer Kang to be someone else, to be sure, but that actually works.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 1st 2019 at 10:58:41 AM
Turns out Kang is Sue Storm and that’s how they introduce Fantastic Four
Forever liveblogging the AvengersOver a decade ago and from the Ultimate Universe, which is a famously terrible AU.
Spider-Man aside, anyway.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2019 at 12:19:51 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That was the reference
Sue came back in time to try to get herself to fuck Reed. IT WAS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TIMELINE
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Zemo could be a weird case of being good, but still opposed to the Avengers totally.
Like they are both doing the same mission to stop the same dude, but he arranges it so the bad dude ends up attacking them and while they're all fighting each other, he destroys whatever thing said bad dude was using.
Why not just work with them? BECAUSE FUCK THE AVENGERS!!! That's why.
This could lead to him saving the day deliberately at their expense, or often screwing himself over because he refuses to explain something to them due to his eternal grudge.
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