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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106376: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:27:25 AM

Nothing like a franchise that showcases a high school science nerd from Queens who got bitten by a radioactive spider not only fighting alongside a rich guy with a nanotech suit, a surgeon-turned-wizard, and half of a band of space pirate/bounty-hunting misfits of various species from all across the galaxy against a giant purple nutsack-chin madman and his shiny golden gauntlet outfitted with magical gemstones, but also briefly riding a pegasus that belongs to a hundred-of-years-old bisexual alcoholic warrior who, along with the aforementioned rich guy's CEO wife, gives him assistance while he attempts to get the aforementioned gauntlet to a van with a La Cucaracha siren.

That was a lot to type out on mobile.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106377: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:15:59 AM

"The MCU is unapologetically the exact same kind of Fantasy Kitchen Sink that the comics are"

No so close, first they have arc weld some element like the eye of agamoto beng time stone rather than a genuie mistical artefact or welding the inhuman into the next mutant rather than having two group of people with power with diferent backstory that in snecesary, we havent seen the street hero like jessica or daredevil fighting bigger treats and some element are just outgrow of other: the asgard are present as stargate kind of alien based in mythos and with the chitauri is just easier to bring more aliens,etc.

Is getting really close but no so much yet.

"Oh look, two movies. Out of twenty-three. "

Is almost I just said a example instead of naming very single movie to someone to nitpick my complain away, you know?.

So far when i tcome to humor, the russo brother movies often manage better used of humor because is more situational than "make a joke in a serious moment" but stuff like cape joke in doctor strange, the avenger with hulk moment that wheedon reuse in age of ultron, Thor in the subway in is second movie, the list goes on and on.

" Ultron doesn't cease being scary because someone said a quip."

Yes it does because the chararter dosent really take hi seriously, and quiping isnt scary, being scary....is.

I mean is introction in the stark party? scary, him overpowering thor and this one saying "I dont know what else to said" and rest that follow just make ultro the butt of the joke.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#106378: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:16:52 AM

[up][up] Not to mention, said high school science nerd from Queens got a ride from a magic hammer (tossed by a WWII veteran that was frozen in ice who was worthy of said hammer) while he was clinging onto it via a web and was shortly greeted by an ace pilot with cosmic powers and was immediately surrounded by other super hero type ladies.

Man, I love how the MCU has evolved so much that we can say/type stuff like this unironically. grin

(And yeah, Spider-Man riding Mjolnir was a highlight for me.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 31st 2019 at 12:17:11 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106379: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:22:22 AM

I had no problem with Ultron’s personality really.

My problem is he just doesn’t kick enough ass & isn’t nearly unstoppable.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#106380: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:26:01 AM

Recall that the plot of Far From Home relies on the MCU being so weird now that a guy can simply show up claiming to be from another universe and everyone rolls with it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106381: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:28:33 AM

Yes it does because the chararter dosent really take hi seriously, and quiping isnt scary, being scary....is.
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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106382: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:49:38 AM

[up]Unknown feels that Ultron's tendency to quip takes away from the intimidation factor, which I agree: Ao U turns Ultron into the loser cousin of Tony Stark.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#106383: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:51:14 AM

Thing is, that's perfectly in character for Ultron. He was a bit of a snarker in the comics too.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106384: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:54:40 AM

[up]Yeah, but he also looked like this.

And did stuff like this.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106385: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:58:32 AM

He’s not as scary in the movies because he never feels truly threatening.

Again that’s the only problem.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106386: Jul 31st 2019 at 9:58:53 AM

[up][up]And?

The point is that the quipping isn't why he's less intimidating.

He's less intimidating because he's not turning entire countries into mass graves.

If you want a movie with a deadly serious Killer Robot antagonist, go watch the original Terminator movie.

Age of Ultron was a shit movie, but Ultron quipping wasn't why.

Edited by M84 on Aug 1st 2019 at 1:02:16 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106387: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:03:42 AM

The quipping is part of it: Ultron acts like he's so above the Avengers he doesn't need to take them seriously, yet every time he's onscreen he gets his metal ass kicked, making him look like an incompetent buffoon.

If he lived up to the threat the trailers were hyping him up to be that would be another thing, but as is he's on the same threat level as a Powers Rangers villain.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106388: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:04:22 AM

[up] So as said it’s not the quipping, it’s that he isn’t kicking ass & taking names.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2019 at 10:05:20 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106389: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:04:22 AM

For me, Ultron killing an entire country before being defeated by the Avengers would turn the movie into a tragedy. And it's not something I want to see.

If you are going to have the villain do something big and show the Avengers in defeat, I prefer the way Infinity War did it — they failed big and it took them five years to overcome it and bring everyone back. Ultron killing an entire country just means that we would see the mass murder of millions of people, which I don't want to see.

If he lived up to the threat the trailers were hyping him up to be that would be another thing, but as is he's on the same threat level as a Powers Rangers villain.
Bull. Ultron is the one who recruits Scarlet Witch, who psychologically breaks the Avengers (aside from Hawkeye). He's also the one who destroys Sokovia and kills Quicksilver. So even though the Avengers defeat him, it comes at a cost.

I mean, you could say the same thing with Loki, too — every time the Avengers fight Loki, they defeat him. But you don't call him "the same threat level as a Power Rangers villain."

Ultron acts like he's so above the Avengers he doesn't need to take them seriously, yet every time he's onscreen he gets his metal ass kicked, making him look like an incompetent buffoon.
Here's the thing: Ultron doesn't care if the Avengers kick his ass, because he's already in a dozen other bodies. And he accomplishes nearly all of his goals despite them kicking his ass. The only time he really loses is when he loses the Cradle due to Wanda and Pietro's defection and then at the very end.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 31st 2019 at 10:08:32 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106390: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:07:43 AM

Him quipping and beng human was supose to be a good step to make him diferent from the overuse and genereic robot villian.

Problem is you need to give him "presence" as villian, and aura that said he could do anything evil in any moment, without it, is quipping make him look like a damn teenager and a cruch, in the end ultron is just a lesser version of loki.

To contrast with another villian take zemo, the guy probaby have the less screen time of any marvel villian to date and yet he got that...."presence" for the lack of a better world, you can belive he have a pla to defeat the avenger, I feel he is kinda overated but I cant deny he carry out is villain creed, Ultron dosent and because of that, is quipping come as a quirk rather feature.

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#106391: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:09:46 AM

Recall that the plot of Far From Home relies on the MCU being so weird now that a guy can simply show up claiming to be from another universe and everyone rolls with it.

"Thor used to be a myth; now we study him in my physics class." ~Spider-Man, aptly summarizing the MCU.

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#106392: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:10:33 AM

It also should be noted that Ultron worked up to killing a country. He didn’t do it right out the gate. First he recruited some supervillains to beat up the Avengers and wore a silly costume. And then he built a robot to beat up the Avengers for him

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106393: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:21:55 AM

@alliterator: I don't- Dude, I've gone on and on and on about how I hate the fact that Loki is a complete jobber who strips the movie of any sort of tension; that's one of the reasons I hate The Avengers.

And the way you put it only makes it worse: Ultron leaves all of the work for his damn flunkies, accomplishing nothing for himself.

Thanos first showed up and beat the Hulk to a pulp, they should've made Ultron do something comparable.

And an army of killer robots means jack shit when they're all defeated by the end with little trouble: at least the Outriders started with an advantage, and the Chitauri were starying to win at the end.

That's literally the same complaint people have with The Hand.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106394: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:27:00 AM

[up]Is like power ranger villian saying "you know what, sende more minions, that will do" is dear genre blind to sugest more killer robots army will do something diferent of what the chitauri did last time.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106395: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:28:30 AM

Dude, I've gone on and on and on about how I hate the fact that Loki is a complete jobber who strips the movie of any sort of tension; that's one of the reasons I hate The Avengers.
If you hate The Avengers, then I can't help you.

And an army of killer robots means jack shit when they're all defeated by the end with little trouble
The tension doesn't come from anyone thinking the Avengers are going to die — everyone knows they are going to live — so the tension comes from them protecting innocent civilians. I don't care if they defeat the robots easily or not, I care if there is tension in what they are doing and there is.

Thanos first showed up and beat the Hulk to a pulp, they should've made Ultron do something comparable.
Nope — Thanos has been built up for years at this point. Ultron beating the Hulk would make it The Worf Effect and be pretty damn silly and would immediately take me out of the film.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106396: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:30:03 AM

I don’t think Loki has ever directly fought the Avengers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#106397: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:30:44 AM

He had a 1 vs 1 with Hulk..

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
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#106398: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:31:15 AM

And it went how it shoulda went

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#106399: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:33:30 AM

Loki fought Captain America and actually got the upper hand.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#106400: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:34:03 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah and he grab the idiot ball pretty much in that scene, is funny sure but nonesensical.

"The tension doesn't come from anyone thinking the Avengers are going to die — everyone knows they are going to live"

tension come from villian having a plan to defeat the avenger and see HOW the avenger work about that, we all know snap would be undo, that dosent make thannos less therating.

Anad even that of saving life become a moot point were fury come with a helicarrier out of is ass, showing the avenger have not way to save the people and only the writer could save them, it was probably the worst scene in the entire MCU.

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