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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I think it was an intentional miscue
Byrne didn’t like the Phoenix arc for Jean at all and he was known for sneaking things in under the radar
It’d be a stretch to think he predicted exactly how it would go down but he knew Shooter was against heroes killing. Some of the sneaking was having Wolverine kill people because he knew it would piss off Shooter if he found out which he did and it did
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThere are no aliens in the Dark Phoenix adaptations because superhero movies need to balance suspension of disbelief. Marvel is very much a Fantasy Kitchen Sink, and adaptations have trouble with that.
So when you have one kind of supernatural thing, creators can become reluctant to include other kinds of supernatural things from totally different genres. Like, you can have fantasy elves and wizards. But fantasy elves and wizards battling aliens? You really gotta strike the right tone and put down some groundwork to get your audience to buy into that. And if time-traveling cyborgs show up in the thick of the elves v. aliens war, it's super easy for audiences to just ragequit out of sheer confusion.
So some things just get adapted out. The Shi'ar Empire never appears in an X-Men film. The Juggernaut is just a mutant, and not the living avatar of an archdevil Hell Lord. They did finally get to one of the franchise's innumerable time-traveling apocalypse-chasers in a Deadpool film.
As with many adaptations, the MCU may be uniquely poised to do the Dark Phoenix Saga justice because they've already laid the groundwork for both aliens and cosmic godlike entities. The MCU is unapologetically the exact same kind of Fantasy Kitchen Sink that the comics are, so it doesn't have to worry about conserving suspension of disbelief while juggling a mutant plot point against a space alien plot point and a cosmic god-being plot point.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 30th 2019 at 8:22:19 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The only thing that sucked was that when Scott heard Jean was alive, he immediately abandoned his wife and newborn son to go be with her on their new team, X-Factor.
Edited by alliterator on Jul 30th 2019 at 7:23:03 AM
It was the only way she’d ever be allowed back, at least as long as it was Shooter’s decision
He was a stickler for characters not being able to just go “my bad!” to mass murder
Jean also later absorbed the psyche of Madeline and the Phoenix clone of her so she got understanding and memories of what strangers with her face had been up to
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 30th 2019 at 10:24:47 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI'm not entirely convinced the MCU has done cosmic scale stuff WELL so far though. Ragnarok was almost pure comedy.
Ego threatening to absorb the galaxy in Guardians 2 felt so disconnected from everything else in that climax that it's kinda one of the least interesting things going on in it.
Thanos apparently snapped the entire universe, but all we see of it is how it affects earth, and a few lines explaining that it's happened in other places.
The sort of stuff I associate with cosmic scale comics hasn't really been attempted yet, and the closest they've come (Ego), I don't think captured that cosmic scale very well.
Edited by GNinja on Jul 30th 2019 at 2:33:09 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Edited by alliterator on Jul 30th 2019 at 8:13:44 AM
I’m rather hoping that both Psylocke & Captain Briton are introduced with their familial relationship & Betsy being Mutant completely in tact.
They can make them both Japanese or half-Japanese or step-siblings or so.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2019 at 9:13:59 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Samurai Jack wielded a katana, but the fact that it was a kid's cartoon meant they had to get... creative in how it was depicted.*
Much like how X-Men cartoons only ever show Wolverine clawing Sentinels and other inorganic stuff.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 30th 2019 at 1:13:07 PM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!"Something can be comedic and still do cosmic stuff right."
Because comedy often get away of a good moment were you need to be serious, compared the awkard jokes at the destruction of Asgard to Thor taking to Rocket in infinity war and revealing he is scared.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"So when you have one kind of supernatural thing, creators can become reluctant to include other kinds of supernatural things from totally different genres. Like, you can have fantasy elves and wizards. But fantasy elves and wizards battling aliens? You really gotta strike the right tone and put down some groundwork to get your audience to buy into that.
I mean.
Endgame gave us space pirates, wizards, Asgardians, and techno-tribal clans vs. purple, weirdly-chinned space warlord and his army of alien monsters
Dark Phoenix the movie REALLY couldn't compete. They could've set some hint of aliens as far back as Days of Future Past. But they didn't. Because Fox was pinching that penny until it couldn't be pinched anymore.
The MCU is more than ready for mutants.
The reason the humorous moments juxtapose against the serious in Thor: Ragnarok is because that film is a comedy through and through. And even then there are serious moments that don't have comedic elements to them (Odin's death, especially, and Thor's vision of him later on).
And when Ultron himself is the one making the quip, it kind of makes it a little more scary to me.
Evil robots acting robotic is boring to me. Evil robots acting human and unhinged is terrifying to me. Case in point, this is from today's issue of Powers of X #1
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Endgame gave us space pirates, wizards, Asgardians, and techno-tribal clans vs. purple, weirdly-chinned space warlord and his army of alien monsters
Dark Phoenix the movie REALLY couldn't compete. They could've set some hint of aliens as far back as Days of Future Past. But they didn't. Because Fox was pinching that penny until it couldn't be pinched anymore.
The MCU is more than ready for mutants.
Endgame did give us all that, but not right away. They've built up the pieces of the Fantasy Kitchen Sink over time. That was the point of this bit:
The MCU has done so much to build out the audience's suspension of disbelief over various fantasy elements that, at this point, they could have Merlin swordfighting Darth Vader in the middle of Spider-Man's high school and audiences would go, "Yeah, I believe it. This seems real to me. Doesn't take me out of the film in the slightest."
The sky's the limit for what can be introduced to the MCU now. Which is very much a product of the time and effort they've put not just into growing the brand, but specifically growing it in different directions. There's pretty much nothing that feels too fantastic or genre-inappropriate for the world they've created.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 31st 2019 at 8:09:29 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

To avoid the character being anathema they retconned the Jean who destroyed those planets as a clone & the real Jean was sealed in a coccoon under the sea.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2019 at 6:41:40 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."