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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I know a friend of mine said it's not right to count Latveria as really advanced, because Doom keeps everything not related directly to him pretty low tech.
But still, if I'm remembering right, Latveria is counted as a world Super Power (I guess because you can't just ignore Doom)
Edited by GNinja on Jul 30th 2019 at 11:01:51 AM
Kaze ni Nare!Basically. Instead of making him a really tone deaf "reference" to Malcolm X, make him a really tone deaf "reference" to Marcus Garvey.
Or going further back historically, essentially make Genosha mutant Liberia. Have Fabian Cortez be the villain. It's kind of baffled me that Fox never had him as a villain, but then Fox was very attached to the same old stories.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2019 at 5:23:19 AM
I guess that's one thing they and Marvel had in common...well until recently that is.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm not really talking about the same thing. Marvel has a habit of telling its stories in a very similar way, but has overall chosen things that haven't yet been adapted as the basis for those stories. Fox had a bad habit of literally recycling their plots and premises rather than adapting the characters in different ways.
There are only two good versions of the Dark Phoenix Saga:
2) And the actual Dark Phoenix Saga.
That's right. The only other good version of that saga is the original version. That's your fault Fox.
One Strip! One Strip!What WAS the original Dark Phoenix story? Was it not originally about Jean Grey being revealed to be an ultra powerful, unstable mutant who had her abilities repressed via Xavier's mind buggery? Why are aliens needed in a story like that?
Edited by GNinja on Jul 30th 2019 at 1:07:59 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Because Phoenix wasn't just "Jean Grey but angry", she was a cosmic being who ate a star and killed a planet.
Also, because it's the X-Men, and X-Men have goddamn space aliens.
EDIT: AND they never used the Hellfire Club!
Edited by SonOfSharknado on Jul 30th 2019 at 9:08:19 AM
My various fanfics.
I mean, I totally bought that Jean in Xmen 3 could've destroyed the whole planet if she wanted to.
Maybe it's because the cosmic scale stuff has never EVER done it for me in comics, but I thought she was FAR beyond "Jean but Angry" in the film. She was completely invincible and needed to let herself be killed. In X3 at least. I haven't seen the new one.
Edited by GNinja on Jul 30th 2019 at 1:13:51 PM
Kaze ni Nare!I haven't actually read it but the original Dark Phoenix had a very epic scope where Jean went on a cosmic rampage wiping out planets.
The climax is when she & Scott had to fight off aliens on an alien planet out to kill her because she has been destroying entire worlds.
As well as the Phoenix itself being a Godlike sentient figure of death & reincarnation.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2019 at 6:18:15 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I guess that's just going to always be one of my big unpopular opinions when it comes to comics.
I don't "get" cosmic scale stuff. What Jean does at the end of X3 is more viscerally impressive to me than something like, I dunno, the power stone destroying a whole planet in Guardians.
When things get to that scale, it kinda passes a Million is a Statistic Threshold and it just becomes a bunch of abstract numbers and concepts. When you have forces that can just blink galaxies out of existence, I don't know how I can relate either to the threat or the thing strong enough to stop it.
Kaze ni Nare!Actually its better because it shows the Phoenix actually losing control & going on an extended rampage of her own accord.
X3 had Jean subservient under Magneto for the most part & wasn't really scary. As a result the sotry wasn't about her, it was about Wolverine mangsting over the girl he keeps thinking about for some reason.
Same with Dark Phoenix I think. It also highlights what an absolute menace Jean has become since she barely does any evil acts over the 2 movies. She's not as dangerous in the movies.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2019 at 6:26:40 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Actually, there was a Dark Phoenix adaptation that used the Hellfire Club in all but name: Wolverine and the X-Men.
The legend has returned.The Dark Phoenix Saga is a tragedy. A good woman is corrupted by a power she can't possibly control and the people she loves watch helplessly, unable to save her as she spirals out of control and, even when she's free, has to face the consequences of her actions and ultimately pays for them.
The Dark Phoenix in the movies is "Woman with power bad. Man must kill. Make man sad."
The story in the comics was about Jean Grey. In the movies, it's about the men who kill her.
My various fanfics.Oh yeah. The Xmen take on the Shiar Imperial Guard to save Jean, and get taken out one by one until only Scott and Jean themselves are left. They make one hell of a Bad Ass Battle Couple Last Stand back to back, until Scott gets knocked out and Jean starts to lose it again.
The Xmen and the Imperial Guard then have to team up to stop her before she fucks things up cosmic style and it ultimately ends with Jean using a satellite weapon to take herself out before she causes more harm.
Hell of an ending for what was all caused by a miscue between artist and writer.
One Strip! One Strip!

I know Sokovia is a fictional country, but it's not technologically advanced. (COUGH COUGH make it Latveria COUGH COUGH)
EDIT: Pagetopper... Also, I thought we were talking technologically advanced worlds in MCU.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 30th 2019 at 7:01:15 AM