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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#106301: Jul 30th 2019 at 9:30:36 AM

Mack from Agents of SHIELD stated that he has a "Death by Killer Robot" clause in his insurance policy. This ep was post Age of Ultron IIRC when such things were no longer out there as something that can plausibly happen to a person.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106302: Jul 30th 2019 at 9:38:56 AM

IIRC, Far From Home make it pretty clear that everyone knows it was aliens.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106303: Jul 30th 2019 at 9:40:13 AM

they didn't have a big enough neuralizer clearly

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106304: Jul 30th 2019 at 9:44:50 AM

Mack from Agents of SHIELD stated that he has a "Death by Killer Robot" clause in his insurance policy.
Mack from Agents of SHIELD is also hilariously Genre Savvy:
Mack: Radcliffe built a humanoid robot that's about to attack the base.
Yo-Yo: Why would he do that? Has he watched no American movies from the eighties? Robots always attack.
Mack: I've been saying that all day.
Yo-Yo: Smart people are stupid.
Mack: Alright, gear up. The robot apocalypse is finally here.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106306: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:06:05 PM

Random Black Widow theory: the version we see in Endgame turns out to have been a sophisticated LMD, because the one we know is trapped somewhere or otherwise forced to hide herself away from everyone, with only that one line to the rest of the world. Black Widow then sets up a story in future sequels and such of Nat saving the world from horrible secret things, never again able to let anyone know she's still alive.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106307: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:07:16 PM

The Soul Stone: “suck it, robots DO have souls”

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106308: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:13:49 PM

LMD's aren't exactly robots: they are (depending on the version, the writer and the continuity) sometimes controlled via consciousness.

The way I'd see it, if Nat needed that lifeline to continue a normal life and had to give it up forever, she basically made that sacrifice regardless. If for some reason she now has to live without ever letting anyone know she's alive, on the fringes of society, never again to interact with the things that gave her life meaning, then she's sacrificed everything she ever loved.

It's a loophole, but the situation surrounding the Soul Stone is a good example of why loopholes like that exist in fiction in the first place.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2019 at 1:14:25 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106309: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:25:37 PM

Personally I think if they are going to bring back Black Widow, the best way to do it would be for her to just break out of the Soul Gem.

So for example her own movie is revealed to be a stealth sequel and the entire movie is actually her reliving an experience in her past within the soul gem. Ending with her realizing what's happening and managing to escape the gem.

So while she might be lost in time and space, and perhaps even become a wraith like the Red Skull, she's alive.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#106311: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:49:50 PM

I mean, we don't even know if anyone can just bust out of the Soul Gem, right?


Random mutant thoughts:

  • What if they sprinkle mutants here and there, like having Kitty Pryde be a classmate of Peter Parker, a la the Ultimate Spider-Man comics?
  • If a hypothetical Deadpool/Spider-Man team-up was marketed more as a Deadpool movie, it wouldn't have to concede with whatever Sony wants, right? (Look, I just REALLY want that Spider-Man/Deadpool team-up, ok? Sue me.)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106312: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:52:09 PM

So, what did Scarlett do for Gail Simone to feel the need to crap on her like this?
It's a joke on Scarlett Johansson saying she "should be allowed to play any person, tree, or animal."

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106313: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:52:23 PM

[nja]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 30th 2019 at 1:52:32 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106314: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:53:28 PM

Should she have been Groot?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#106315: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:55:22 PM

You joke, but I'd actually really like to see a female version of Groot.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#106316: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:57:34 PM

Is Groot really male or female? If "he" is biologically a plant, then the question has no meaning. Of course, he is treated and addressed as male in the films, so the point stands regardless of the technical truth.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 30th 2019 at 4:58:19 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#106317: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:59:30 PM

Scarjo would make a great tree or raccoon.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106318: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:00:04 PM

> What if they sprinkle mutants here and there, like having Kitty Pryde be a classmate of Peter Parker, a la the Ultimate Spider-Man comics?

Scene:Peter Parker goes to a school that's all mutants and he's oblivious to this until Kitty phases in front of him,and it's in a class taught by Jean Grey

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#106319: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:05:29 PM

[up]There was a parody video that suggested something like that, only instead of Kitty, it was Jubilee since Kitty was prominent in the films.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106320: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:15:40 PM

> Is Groot really male or female? If "he" is biologically a plant, then the question has no meaning. Of course, he is treated and addressed as male in the films, so the point stands regardless of the technical truth.

He's probably a Monoecious Tree

-adjusts nerd specs-

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106321: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:16:38 PM

What if they sprinkle mutants here and there, like having Kitty Pryde be a classmate of Peter Parker, a la the Ultimate Spider-Man comics?

Imo, that's exactly what they should be doing. A couple mutants here, a couple mutants there: Kitty in Peter's class would be fun. Mystique as a villain Captain Marvel. Whirlwind as a villain Antman / The Wasp 3. Etc and so on.

And then only give us the X-Men when the existence of these mutants has become a clear universe-wide thing. In that case, we would already have the mutants here: the plot wouldn't be "OMG suddenly there's mutants!" it would be "leaders emerge to rally these superpowered people, and how does the world react?" Rather than go the DC route and try to dump the whole team on us as fast as possible.

Also, I'd prefer if - even if they do the same sort of conflicts as before - they choose different stories to adapt. Like, if we do Magneto, do Genosha instead of the typical "radical terrorist with a posse" storylines the previous X-Men series was so attached to.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2019 at 2:22:04 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106322: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:27:58 PM

Play him up instead as the leading voice in arguing that mutants can't coexist so they should go off and live on a cool island away from those dumb humans?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#106323: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:55:54 PM

I can see mutants being more of a rarity in the MCU, mostly because after he lost his two children some time before Winter Soldier, Magneto and the rest of mutantkind hid out in a little island called Genosha. Whoever meets the mutants would stumble across Genosha by complete accident after a fight with a villain goes awry.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#106324: Jul 30th 2019 at 3:40:08 PM

How many hideously advanced fictional nations exist in the Marvel world anyway?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106325: Jul 30th 2019 at 3:59:05 PM

Edit: Oh wait you meant the comics.

A good deal I think.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2019 at 4:00:09 AM

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