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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106276: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:15:30 PM

I'm gonna say that second scene was also best left on the cutting room floor.

Officially declaring the Chitauri to be the shittiest army in the galaxy creates a bit of a narrative disconnect. Because the Chitauri are Thanos's army, and we've been told repeatedly that Thanos is, like, the scariest asshole in the universe.

It's hard to reconcile the scariest asshole in the universe being in command of the shittiest garbage-mooks ever made. Once again, this undermines important elements of the franchise. We can criticize the Chitauri all we want as fans, but within the context of the work, we're supposed to be afraid of the Chitauri.

We're supposed to be impressed by the Avengers' miraculous victory against the Chitauri.

Because the Chitauri are Thanos's forces, and their performance reflects directly on him. And we're supposed to be afraid of Thanos.

Well, to be fair we spent years criticizing Thanos for just sitting on his ass doing nothing, until he finally decided to do it himself.

And even then, we still mocked him as a joke. Then he really went and did it, and tunes changed.

As an extension of that attitude towards Thanos, I can see people acting like the Chitauri ain't that big a deal.

But yeah, it being cut is a good thing.

One Strip! One Strip!
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#106277: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:19:13 PM

The kneeling scene was a nice idea, but it doesn't quite work the way it should because of a number of factors. One is that it's hard to get a real sense of scale when you're only seeing 3-4 people in any given shot, but there seems to be incomplete effects and there may have been more people in the outskirts. A criticism I had of Age of Ultron was an obsession with giving each Avenger equal screen time, which killed the pacing of scenes like Tony's vision of all of them dead (everyone had a "death" shot, which didn't get more shocking with each person). It is also positioned as something of a roll call, but a simpler and more effective one was at the funeral with more people included. To compare it to the extra roll call endings of Return of the King, that was the culmination of everything we were going to get out of that universe, and after 10-13 hours of this story it was definitely earned. So it could have been akin to "You Bow to No One" but nowhere near as satisfying.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106278: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:20:16 PM

<Looks at the shitshow due to a fake quote and an obvious joke from Joe Russo>

...See, this is why I don't use Twitter. Every time I've gone against my better judgement and looked up a Twitter post, I've come to regret it. As far as I'm concerned, the less Twitter in my life, the better.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106279: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:34:22 PM

We could all do with less Twitter in our lives. Lord knows I could.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106280: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:37:10 PM

I don't have an account.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#106281: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:43:01 PM

It could be because I saw Lion King recently, but when I see that kneeling scene, I just have a mental picture of Peter on a Pride Rock-like structure holding up Tony's corpse like Rafiki as everyone bows around him.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jul 29th 2019 at 10:44:01 AM

The legend has returned.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#106282: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:52:18 PM

[up][up] Smart.

I don't know a single thing that Twitter does, as a platform, that is actually good. There are a couple decent communities there, but not very many, and they'd likely exist on a different site if Twitter didn't exist.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106283: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:54:14 PM

[up][up][up]I don't have an account either. And while I do technically have a Facebook account, I haven't actually touched it in years. Never touched Instagram or Whatsapp either. Yeah, not a fan of social media in general.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106284: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:54:17 PM

Well I do have one but that was made a while ago, does not use my real name, & it only has 1 post of which I have not used since.

[up] I’m embarrassed to say I do have a Tumblr account but that’s primarily so I can reach the NSW stuff. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:55:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106285: Jul 29th 2019 at 8:06:27 PM

Ugh, Tumblr...but anyway, this isn't the "Why M84 thinks social media is a toxic cesspool" thread.

Looking back at all the cut scenes mentioned...yeah, cutting those scenes was definitely the right call. All of those scenes were garbage.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#106286: Jul 29th 2019 at 8:10:49 PM

The only thing I do on social media is post two sentence movie reviews, and maybe pass along relevant posts. It's actually a fun mental exercise (try and encapsulate everything right and wrong with a movie while also explaining what to expect and make it clear if you recommend it or not) and I've gotten a number of friends and family expressing how much they enjoy them. I really couldn't imagine trying to get into any sort of arguments in that manner, though. The toxicity in certain corners is why I avoid it for the most part.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#106287: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:26:09 PM

I have no association with social media whatsoever!

Or anybody to associate with, anyway!

I am basically a hermit! Except I have no turtle or island of my own!

I have made good choices with my life!

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106288: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:27:59 PM

Why not live with a chicken?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#106289: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:28:35 PM

One shouldn't live with a pet that one would be tempted to eat.

Disgusted, but not surprised
32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#106290: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:39:45 PM

I used to like hurt/comfort fics, before I realized what I actually like is extended fic where two characters who are normally or currently opposed are forced to work together.

It's just that there was a bit of overlap in fics I'd enjoyed with the h/c tag.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#106293: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:10:45 AM

Now that one would've been harmless to keep in.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#106294: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:21:08 AM

TIL Tony and Pepper had an alpaca.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106295: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:28:12 AM

I figure it was cut to give a little more surprise to the reveal of Morgan Stark.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106296: Jul 30th 2019 at 6:06:34 AM

I wish I could go without Whatsapp, but not only do I need it for my job, it's pretty much the only way I can keep in contact with most of my friends.sad

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#106297: Jul 30th 2019 at 6:36:14 AM

Could a Snapped person claim Act of God insurance to get money from the time they spent dead back since Thanos was technically a god at the time?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106298: Jul 30th 2019 at 6:57:43 AM

[up] The term "Act of God" typically has an actual legal definition that varies a bit between jurisdictions.

In general it's an unforeseeable catastrophe, something neither the insurance company nor the enrollee could of reasonably predicted was a risk. In some cases it explicitly requires no "human" involvement, which could be read as applying to any damage whatsoever caused by aliens. However in this precise case because the time stone was surrendered by Doctor Strange, that might be enough for the Snap to have "human involvement" and thus not be an act of god, legally speaking.

Of course ever since the events of the first Avengers movie, it likely became routine for all insurance policies in the MCU to explicitly cover or exclude damage caused by extraterrestrial attack, which the Snap would likely be classified as.

Edited by Falrinn on Jul 30th 2019 at 9:59:59 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#106299: Jul 30th 2019 at 7:00:22 AM

That only counts if everyone knows the details of what happened, and since the Time Stone event occurred on an alien world with only a few witnesses, none of whom are likely keen to advertise it to all and sundry, the chances of an insurance claim being rejected on those specific grounds are infinitesimal.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106300: Jul 30th 2019 at 7:11:25 AM

[up] Certainly.

Although like I said, I think the real problem is that contract law would of certainly been rewritten significantly in the wake of the Battle of New York to account for the existence of sentient aliens, some of which are remembered as gods in human mythology.

Really a whole bunch of laws would have to be passed just to make sentient aliens legal persons in the eyes of the law. Otherwise it would technically be legal for any human to murder Thor and cook up some Asgardian steaks.

And to be clear, "technically legal" not "remotely plausible to accomplish".


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