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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106251: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:50:05 AM

Heh.

Then maybe it's just Rocket running his mouth. That makes more sense. This is the guy who was insulting babies after all. He's not a nice dude.

Also, it might be that the Chitauri underwent Memetic Loser status after the failure on Earth.

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#106252: Jul 29th 2019 at 12:15:04 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chitauri gained the reputation as the suckiest army in the galaxy because they failed to take over a backwater planet in the middle of who knows where. The Other seemed to talk rather highly of them. Then again, that could be the Other's bias towards them. Not to mention, the Chitauri were present on Gamora's homeworld, executing half the population.

It could just be that Rocket is running his mouth.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#106253: Jul 29th 2019 at 1:22:41 PM

I mean why would Thanos waste a good army on a backwater planet when a sucky one would ordinarily do the job?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106254: Jul 29th 2019 at 1:24:26 PM

He seemed totally fine with using that same army again on Earth, knowing full well they won the first time.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#106255: Jul 29th 2019 at 1:47:14 PM

Rocket seems to think it's Common Knowledge that the Chitauri are a Keystone Army, and you could assume that other forces were able to exploit that weakness before. What's missing from the scene is that it's forgetting that they were invading from a Tesseract portal, so it's less that the Avengers are morons for not targeting an obvious weakness and more that they were being attacked from beyond typical engagement range. Tony going through the portal with a nuke was more of a happy accident that resolved the problem.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106256: Jul 29th 2019 at 1:52:59 PM

Thor should have known that though.

Maybe he slacked off on Chitauri tactics.

Anyway, notice it's Tony who silences Rocket there. Not a shock though: would you want someone laughing about something that nearly got you killed?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106257: Jul 29th 2019 at 2:51:00 PM

And severe anxiety attacks for months afterwards.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106258: Jul 29th 2019 at 3:37:19 PM

Twitter explodes over a fake Joe Russo quote.

Mysterio must’ve done this.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 29th 2019 at 3:39:53 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106259: Jul 29th 2019 at 3:41:58 PM

Something petty could only be the work of a fiend

Mephisto!

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106260: Jul 29th 2019 at 3:52:04 PM

Sometimes I feel like going up to the guy that created Twitter and forcing him to drink an entire bottle of bleach.

Yes, people would still be this brain dead even without Twitter, but at leas it wouldn't be so damn public.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#106261: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:03:14 PM

Those comment, christ. [tdown] Fans (unsurprisingly, a lot of shippers) are even more mad now.

Anyway I'm interested in what they mean by that. Did they actually have concrete plans for how to kill Tony off in Civil War? Or was it just an idea of his floating around that never made it to the writing stage?

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:04:31 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106262: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:05:47 PM

I think he’s joking about that too. The hashtags he added seem facetious.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106263: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:17:30 PM

What the hell is going on with that thread?

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 29th 2019 at 4:17:36 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#106264: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:23:39 PM

Its twitter,better read his post and hold your noise

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#106265: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:29:48 PM

So, how many levels deep in irony are we here?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#106266: Jul 29th 2019 at 4:46:00 PM

For best results, he should've declared that he's wanted to do this since the first X-Men movie and that he worked his way into the director's seat for Avengers just so he could do it.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#106268: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:48:44 PM

I don't understand why MCU Peter is seen in fanfiction, especially on Tumblr and AO 3, as someone who's easily hurt and needs comforting from Tony. Peter Parker Angst or Hurt/Comfort is practically a genre unto its own, granted, but it didn't become prevalent like it is now until the MCU version.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106269: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:50:23 PM

Fanfiction writers love suffering boys

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#106270: Jul 29th 2019 at 5:54:09 PM

There's a lot of MCU fanfics using that Spider-Man/Power Pack PSA comic as backstory/a vehicle for hurt/comfort too.

EDIT: "1 - 20 of 3896 Works in Tony Stark Acting as Peter Parker's Parental Figure"

1 - 20 of 3901 Works in Peter Parker Needs a Hug" (FOUR of those were written pre-MCU. FOUR.)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 29th 2019 at 6:03:03 AM

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#106271: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:06:14 PM

I'm gonna say that second scene was also best left on the cutting room floor.

Officially declaring the Chitauri to be the shittiest army in the galaxy creates a bit of a narrative disconnect. Because the Chitauri are Thanos's army, and we've been told repeatedly that Thanos is, like, the scariest asshole in the universe.

It's hard to reconcile the scariest asshole in the universe being in command of the shittiest garbage-mooks ever made. Once again, this undermines important elements of the franchise. We can criticize the Chitauri all we want as fans, but within the context of the work, we're supposed to be afraid of the Chitauri.

We're supposed to be impressed by the Avengers' miraculous victory against the Chitauri.

Because the Chitauri are Thanos's forces, and their performance reflects directly on him. And we're supposed to be afraid of Thanos.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106272: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:11:11 PM

Part of it is just that people that don’t read comics are being exposed to the character through the MCU. There are the Raimi movies and the Amazings but they didn’t occupy as much public attention as the MCU as a whole

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#106273: Jul 29th 2019 at 6:12:17 PM

I mean, I totally buy the joke about Civil War. When it first came out I said that movie was totally sending up red flags foreshadowing his death in an upcoming movie, and people said I was crazy.

As soon as they gave him a dramatic monologue where he says he can't stop being Iron Man because deep down he doesn't want to stop, the "Oh, he's gonna die stopping Thanos" lightbulb clicked in my head.

Edited by comicwriter on Jul 29th 2019 at 6:13:33 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#106274: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:01:17 PM

Deleted scenes are deleted for a reason.

My various fanfics.
SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#106275: Jul 29th 2019 at 7:07:25 PM

I don't understand why MCU Peter is seen in fanfiction, especially on Tumblr and AO 3, as someone who's easily hurt and needs comforting from Tony. Peter Parker Angst or Hurt/Comfort is practically a genre unto its own, granted, but it didn't become prevalent like it is now until the MCU version.

Ugh, yes. Need to remember I can block the "whump" tag when I'm searching that section.

I've seen the same kind of thing in other fandoms on AO3. First one that comes to mind is the My Hero Academia section with Midoriya, although I've definitely seen other cases. I think the Final Fantasy XV fandom does it with a few characters? Don't know if they still do.

I mean, I know hurt/comfort is a thing, and that writing characters into horrible situations can make for really interesting stories if it's done well, but it starts to get weird when there's that much of it out there. I guess some writers really like torturing their favorites.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Jul 29th 2019 at 7:11:47 AM


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