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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#106226: Jul 28th 2019 at 4:00:16 AM

This may have been posted already and if so, I apologize. But here's a deleted scene from Endgame.

It shows all the characters present, except for Gamora who leaves, falling to their knees in grief after Tony dies.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 28th 2019 at 4:00:47 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#106227: Jul 28th 2019 at 4:45:08 AM

[up]That seems weird. I mean don't get me wrong, Tony's death was sad, but Gamora never even met him...

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#106229: Jul 28th 2019 at 4:47:52 AM

Maybe she met another version of him

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#106230: Jul 28th 2019 at 5:51:06 AM

Gamora didn't take a knee. She left.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106231: Jul 28th 2019 at 5:29:39 PM

You know what would be a really nice genre for Juggernaut, if they ever decided to make a movie about him? A Disaster Movie.

Juggernaut would be portrayed as a force of nature, completely tearing through everything the heroes can throw at him like a hot knife through a hot knife inspection.

Sure, it'd take some effort to work out the kinks, but I think it could work.

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#106232: Jul 28th 2019 at 7:21:12 PM

Charles, get outta my head!

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 28th 2019 at 10:22:24 AM

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#106233: Jul 29th 2019 at 8:18:55 AM

Reposting from X-Men General Thread:

Ryan "Deadpool" Reynolds is now on year 5 of his investigation over who leaked the original Deadpool test footage, or as he likes to call it: Phase 5!

(We shouldn't take it seriously, but it'd be hilarious if we ended up getting Deadpool 3 in Phase 5 of the MCU.)

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#106234: Jul 29th 2019 at 8:24:10 AM

Deleted scene from Endgame.

Either Cap never thought of that or he’s spent the last 12 years thinking about it. tongue

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#106235: Jul 29th 2019 at 8:34:38 AM

If he jumped out of the plane, he'd land in the same freezing water that he crashed the plane into, though. I don't know if that'd be an appreciably better situation for him. He'd need an escape vessel, and the only vehicles onboard were....

...

  • Steve: Peggy, you're great, but I really need you to put Howard on the phone.
  • Peggy: Howard? Why?
  • Steve: Well, I was going to crash the plane into the ocean, but then I thought, "Hey, why not fly a suicide-bomb plane to safety first?" But there's an obvious flaw in that plan, so I need Howard to talk me through how to disarm the suicide-bomb.
  • Peggy: Steve, those are Tesseract-powered weapons. I'm not sure if he knows the science. What if you make a mistake?
  • Steve: Then I accidentally blow up the plane and we're no worse off than we'd be if I just put her in a nosedive right now.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 29th 2019 at 9:35:45 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#106236: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:27:48 AM

Could he have?

As Tobias points out, he'd have still been over freezing waters. There was no guarantee he'd have survived long enough to be rescued...

...well, ok there is, because he survived literally being buried in ice, but he had no way of knowing that. Pragmatically speaking he had every reason to believe he'd freeze to death before they reached him.

Plus, I'm pretty sure he wanted to be 100% certain the bombs were no longer a threat, hence why he went down with the plane to guarantee they were taken out.

I mean, you gotta be thorough right?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106237: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:44:09 AM

Yeah, the reason he went down with the plane was that he had to guide the plane into the water and make sure it didn't hit any, you know, cities.

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#106238: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:56:47 AM

Did he, though?

There's a lot of unpopulated territory in the Atlantic Ocean. It's not hard to chart a collision course when there's nothing but miles and miles of ocean in every direction.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 29th 2019 at 10:58:25 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106239: Jul 29th 2019 at 9:59:52 AM

Not a fan of that scene. Feels like the kind of thing that was only made to validate fan jokes/theories at the characters' expense, and that's rarely a good idea.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 29th 2019 at 10:06:07 AM

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#106240: Jul 29th 2019 at 10:05:11 AM

Yeah, I'm also not really fond of it. Best left on the cutting room floor.

Like, I poke fun at Cap 'cause I feel going down with the plane was less "No other possible option" and more "Cap lacks the knowledge and expertise required to do something smarter than this." Like, he may have been able to make a better plan if he had any idea how the Tesseract tech in the bomber bay worked. Or how to read the plane's navigational equipment.

Did he even know how to fly a plane at all? Crashing a plane is easy; actually making it to safe harbor takes a lot of knowledge and experience.

Nosediving the plane was a bad option, but Cap was railroaded into it by skill checks, is what I'm saying. And he doesn't get to reload his save and try to prep his character better for the surprise ending.

But that's the kind of conversation that's best kept outside the work. Within the context of the film, we are supposed to agree with Cap that nosediving the plane is the best option available to him, and to respect and revere him for his heroic sacrifice. That is how the original scene is presented.

In any case, this is a scene that doesn't actually contribute anything of value to the story, which is why leaving it on the cutting room floor is a good idea. The problem isn't that it pokes fun at Cap, but that it doesn't accomplish anything by poking fun at Cap. It's just "Haha what an idiot, that Cap!" and then it moves on.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 29th 2019 at 11:06:30 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106241: Jul 29th 2019 at 10:05:59 AM

Though in general, I do wish Rhodey and Steve had interacted more.

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#106243: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:16:33 AM

That one is also stupid.

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#106244: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:19:32 AM

blowing up the mother ship could have destroyed the Earth with debris so um

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#106245: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:20:55 AM

How come Carol punching through Thanos’s ship didn’t shut down the Chitauri army below?

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#106246: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:21:48 AM

wild mass guessThey were being directed from another vessel somewhere else,maybe.

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#106247: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:29:29 AM

They did blow up the mothership though

Without Iron Man guidance it would have been difficult to get a missile straight through the portal so they blew it up as soon as they could have

Bad scene

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 29th 2019 at 2:29:38 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#106248: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:31:33 AM

I don't know. It seems like a classic Rocket thing to do. They had no way of knowing that until Tony flew that missile right into the wormhole, but it's totally in his character to mock them for that.

The Chitauri being the shittiest army in existence does put their victory in a new light though. It's not that six exceptional individuals pulled off the impossible and fought off an entire army: it's just one sub par army trying and failing to invade a completely backwater world.

....Maybe it is a bit mean spirited, but it also says a lot about how much faith Thanos had in Loki...or how little faith he had in Earth repelling him.

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#106249: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:33:50 AM

I think it says a lot about Thanos

He’s not going to be able to gather an exceptional army for obvious reasons so berserkers and zealots are all he has going for him

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106250: Jul 29th 2019 at 11:48:20 AM

The Chitauri being the shittiest army in existence does put their victory in a new light though. It's not that six exceptional individuals pulled off the impossible and fought off an entire army: it's just one sub par army trying and failing to invade a completely backwater world.
Except that under Thanos's leadership, the Chitauro have conquered plenty of worlds. It's only when Loki was leading them (and lost the staff with the Mind Control to control them) that they failed. So it's not that they are a subpar army, it's that Loki was a subpar leader.


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