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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#106201: Jul 26th 2019 at 8:25:25 PM

I disagree because the Hand plotline was much worse than anything in s1. It should have either been Castle or the Hand, not both.

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#106202: Jul 26th 2019 at 8:36:34 PM

[up]It should’ve been Castle, period. If I came away with anything from seeing much of Season 2 years ago, Castle was the better part of that season.

Seriously, that actor was “ ballin’ ”, as the young ones say.

And his attempted prison assassination...oof. At one point, it wasn’t a fight, it was butchery.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 26th 2019 at 8:37:33 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#106203: Jul 26th 2019 at 8:40:47 PM

I agree, both the writing behind Castle and Jon Bernthal's acting were brilliant and made him extremely compelling. By comparison the Hand stuff felt extremely phoned in, like they were doing it just because it was from the comics and they had to do it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106204: Jul 26th 2019 at 9:14:12 PM

I actually liked that they split the season in two — Castle during the first half and the Hand during the second. The first season felt, at times, like it was dragging things out, so breaking it up into two arcs instead of one was a good idea.

The problem, however, was that the Hand are terrible bad guys. They are generic, anonymous ninjas that are mainly used for canon fodder whenever you want to see Wolverine slaughter a bunch of dudes but don't want to give them all distinct appearances or powers.

Instead of using the Hand like that, they should have instead chosen one person as the main bad guy. Someone who was distinctive in personality and in looks. I would have gone with Gorgon, who is a High Priest of the Hand. Heck, they don't even have to give him the mutant powers (he can turn people to stone by looking them in the eyes), but they could make him blind as a kind of dark counterpart to Daredevil himself.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 26th 2019 at 9:14:25 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#106205: Jul 26th 2019 at 9:30:49 PM

For me, it's like this: Daredevil season 1 is one of the best comic book adaptations ever made and a work of art, and one of the the best superhero tv shows ever made. Season 3 isn't one of the best, it is the best comic book adaptation ever made, the best thing in the entire MCU, one of the greatest accomplishments of our age regarding filmmaking in a televized format plus the absolute peak the character of Daredevil can reach in any medium (at least so far). Nothing is flawless, but Daredevil season 3 gets dangerously close.

Season 2, by contrast, is just pretty good (compared to the stratospheric quality in seasons 1 and 3) and has some gargantuan problems with Asian representation. It lags behind a lot (though I'd still contend that it is head and shoulders above most superhero tv) compared to the other two, namely in the matter of villains.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 26th 2019 at 9:31:51 AM

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#106206: Jul 26th 2019 at 9:49:14 PM

I’d even go as far to say that the early Elektra stuff is alright for the most part, but once the Hand start appearing in earnest...eesh.

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#106207: Jul 26th 2019 at 10:47:52 PM

Matt saving the kid in Cut Man was pretty sweet.

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#106208: Jul 26th 2019 at 10:49:28 PM

It would have been a lot better if Nobu wasn't just a combat drone for Daredevil to fight. There's no personality, backstory, nothing. He's just there to punch Daredevil and get punched by Daredevil, and while that makes for good fight scenes it makes for a dull story.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#106209: Jul 26th 2019 at 11:10:13 PM

It looks especially bad because most of the white villains, even the more minor ones like the russian guys from season 1, have a lot more effort put into them to give them pathos and a complex psychology. Nobu feels completely hollow in comparison.

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106210: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:49:07 AM

Do you guys think all the MCU and Star Wars stuff is going to be on Disney + too, even if not currently for example on Hulu or similar?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106211: Jul 27th 2019 at 1:45:29 AM

Yes. Everything except the Netflix and Hulu shows. The only one I'm not sure about is Agents of SHIELD — they currently have a deal where it's get put on Netflix after the season airs, but Disney might be changing that after the current season ends.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 27th 2019 at 1:46:28 AM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106212: Jul 27th 2019 at 2:23:25 AM

Damn, they will leave the Hulu ones? :( (lives in Europe)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106213: Jul 27th 2019 at 3:16:54 AM

Yes, Disney owns Hulu now, too, so shows like Runaways and the upcoming Ghost Rider and Helstrom shows will stay on there. In good news, though, Disney will probably try and make Hulu international.

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106214: Jul 27th 2019 at 3:20:01 AM

Ah if they own it, then it would make sense to keep them on there. What would make them try to revamp Hulu into being international though? (By that I mean, if they already are gonna have Disney + what financial gain do they have of Hulu going international?)

(BTW I did have specifically Runaways in mind when asking [lol])

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106215: Jul 27th 2019 at 3:27:07 AM

(By that I mean, if they already are gonna have Disney + what financial gain do they have of Hulu going international?)
Because Disney+ is only going to be in the US to begin with when it rolls out, so Hulu being international works to their advantage. Because you can literally buy a Disney+ add on to Hulu.

Disney+ will roll out internationally later on (probably through 2020 and 2021) and Disney can use Hulu as a test market to see the places where Disney+ will work best. Also, they probably want more subscribers to Hulu, too.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 27th 2019 at 3:28:41 AM

akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106216: Jul 27th 2019 at 3:30:56 AM

Ok that does explain it nicely, thank you. Looking at it like that it would be a sound marketing and business decision to put Hulu on international at the same time as Disney + debuts in the US.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#106217: Jul 27th 2019 at 3:40:11 AM

Agents of SHIELD isn’t on Netflix in Canada, so I hope they do put it on Disney+ so I can access it.

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#106218: Jul 27th 2019 at 5:36:27 AM

They won't,region blocking is fairly uniform when it comes to limiting content,if its not on Canadian Netflix it won't be on Canadian Disney +

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akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106219: Jul 27th 2019 at 5:58:35 AM

Which always bothered me, why is regionblocking on streaming services even a thing?

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#106220: Jul 27th 2019 at 6:01:29 AM

Its due to various deals they have with certain networks,who have a legal right to air content in certain countries

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akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#106221: Jul 27th 2019 at 6:06:40 AM

Don't know why but I was under the impression the streaming service only had to get the licences for the country they are based in.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106222: Jul 27th 2019 at 9:27:11 AM

Agents of SHIELD is licensed to a Canadian streaming service — that just happens to be Crave.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106223: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:28:31 PM

I didn't notice before just how flawless the C Gi for Professor Hulk is:

Though now that I stop to think about it, he never got to fight much, did he?

Anyway, while I agree that The Hand was pretty sunpar, c'mon, Elektra and Matt had so much chimestry together it's a damn shame we're never seeing these two together again.

Still better than Foggy and Karen searching for clues of Fisk and wasting our time because they're always several steps behind Matt, anyway.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 27th 2019 at 4:30:57 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#106224: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:31:12 PM

Professor Hulk needs a bowtie!And a lab coat

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106225: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:32:41 PM

It's a little weird to me that Professor Hulk's voice is exactly the same as baseline Bruce Banner's, when usually Hulking out has deepened his voice, but that's just a nitpick.

Hulk Dab! \(\)

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 27th 2019 at 12:35:15 PM


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