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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well, maybe not quite that, but the criticisms I've seen through Reddit were comments about Liu not being good-looking enough in comparison to the appearance of caucassian heroes and the same applied to Awkwafina but in an offensive way- like they actually called her "squinty eyes" and said she looked like an anti-Chinese caricature. The idea seemed to be that a "real Chinese character" should look like a pop idol drama actor/actress.
So I'm not sure to what extent this criticism is based on the idea that the movie is insufficiently pandering to Chinese audiences (contrast with Disney's upcoming live action Mulan movie), which is not a completely unfair criticism given the whole Mandarin/Fu Manchu thing, versus being based in the idea that there's.... something wrong about Liu and Awkwafina because they don't look the way a Chinese person "should" look, but it seems like both.
Edit- I just looked up Tony Leung, and apparently around the time he was involved in Hero, he made statements defending the Tiannemen Square crackdown/massacre. So, I'd imagine that China is cool with him, if not the idea of a Chinese villain being opposed by a Chinese American hero.
Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 25th 2019 at 1:14:46 PM
Cross posting from the box office thread:
Spider-Man: Far From Home finally scored $1 billion at the box office!
Now we can breathe easy that the next Spidey movie will be in the MCU.
I want them to reveal Cap found a way to save Natasha from her death.
They owe us for repeating that bullshit with her after what they did to Gamora.
One Strip! One Strip!Think of it this way, when Captain America created a split timeline if you buy into that theory and believe he’d create all kinds of changes like saving Bucky early, stopping Hydra from growing inside SHIELD, organizing early anti-alien jerk defenses, and all that
In Cap’s grew old timeline Natasha is definitely alive and never dated Bruce
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIf Cap "saves" Natasha, it'll create a split timeline in which she's alive, but she'll still be dead in the main one. This was firmly established in Endgame.
You might ask if he could take her out of an alternate timeline and bring her into this one, as Gamora was. The answer to that should be obvious: if anyone can time-hop and save a character from death by bringing back a past version of them, then all dramatic stakes get thrown out the window. Deaths have to be final to carry emotional weight.
The only reason Gamora gets an exemption from this is because she is effectively "reset" to her pre-GOTG state, losing all the character development that occurred in those films, so that Quill has to woo her again and the dynamic between her and Nebula is reversed.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2019 at 3:32:04 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Yeah in the split timeline Cap grew old in, she’s super alive. But dead in the main one
Also, stealing a living Natasha from an alternate timeline is what the HISHE Endgame did
And then everyone drowned in All the Money
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 25th 2019 at 3:32:42 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThere's no guarantee that will happen. In fact, I'm hoping it doesn't, and not just due to my overwhelming grudge against Quill that colours almost all my thoughts about him.
It would be great Character Development for the man who's lost so much and who handles losing those things so badly to finally learn to move past that. A new Gamora who rejects him as a lover would be perfect for that. It would also allow a new path for both of them, which is something quite a few people want.
One Strip! One Strip!I like the theory that Steve will go to Voromir and confront the Red Skull, who will mockingly tell him, "a life for a life, Rogers, that's the rule".
Then Steve will tell him "offer accepted" before throwing a screaming Red Skull into the abyss.
At this point, we'll see a living Natasha back on Earth. I don't know. Maybe in Budapest.
Edit- This is assuming that the Red Skull was bullshitting about the sacrificing a loved one thing and that in actuality, getting the Soul Stone "just" requires sacrificing one's own life or the life of someone else.
Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 25th 2019 at 2:43:28 PM
...that would be beautiful.
And yeah, I expect Quill to try. But I want him to fail, for reasons related to my grudge, and because I think it'd be a better story.
Hopefully, Gunn agrees with me. I believe he wrote the stuff for the Guardiants, so we assume he had some input on everything that happened with them in both Infinity War and Endgame.
So Gamora's new Status Quo is part of his plan...I hope.
One Strip! One Strip!Steve loves.... to hate Red Skull
Alas he’s not really alive and also he floats
Acceptable
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 25th 2019 at 3:53:20 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI'm not saying I want a rehash of the first two Guardians films. You know Peter is going to try to win Gamora again, and whether he succeeds or not is up to the story writers. Quill is supposed to be a jerk; whether you find that lovable or not is entirely subjective.
The problem with Adam Warlock in that mix is that he has very serious superpowers, so he'd overshadow the rest of the Guardians as much as, if not more than Thor would. The team-as-family dynamic only works if they're coequals, at least within a reasonable range, so that they all depend on each other. If one is so much stronger that the others are barely hangers on, it's messed up. Consider all the effort the various Justice League series put in to nerf Superman or put him on a bus for exactly this reason.
Now, I wouldn't put it past Gunn to explore this to show exactly why it's a bad idea, but the status quo established by the end should not have Adam as part of the Guardians.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2019 at 4:03:45 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Huh, really? Wouldn't surprise me. But Simu Liu is ethnically pure Han Chinese from what I can tell, and while Tony Leung is a Hong Kong actor, he's also got some renown in the mainland for Hero and other such movies.
Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 25th 2019 at 1:40:24 PM