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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#106026: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:28:40 PM

That’s a good one

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#106027: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:29:17 PM

Or Fantastic Thor

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#106028: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:29:29 PM

Dammit thats really good too

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106029: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:43:20 PM

Bring in Bill & Sif & as said it’s like a Thorsome.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106030: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:55:10 PM

I think it will be easier if they call Jane Thunderstrike, since I’m pretty sure Eric Masterson won’t appear in the MCU.
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They could go that route, but honestly there's no requirement to give her a codename at all. She could just be Dr. Jane Foster, Goddess of Thunder.

I do expect they'll play around with the idea that she is a new "Thor" in a sense, but I would be surprised if they go as far as to explicitly spell out "Thor Odinson is no longer Thor, Jane Foster is the one and only true Thor"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#106031: Jul 24th 2019 at 2:18:12 PM

It's true. It's not like everyone doesn't already know Jane is associated with Thor in the MCU and the leading scientist in cracking Asgardian tech and so on and so forth.

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#106032: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:59:27 PM

As expected the news over Fem Thor has gotten a rise out of everyone. Certain YouTubers are quick to say the MCU is doomed and now it will all be over because of "Woke and Broke" SJW. Personally, I would wait on a trailer for such an opinion but...

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#106033: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:04:40 PM

Pfft. Fem Thor can't doom the MCU. Don't you remember? Captain Marvel and her $1.1 billion box office take already doomed the MCU. Surely this is just the last nail in the coffin.

And the nails are made from solid gold.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106034: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:06:00 PM

[up][up] Thankfully I don't think Kevin Feige can hear them from on top of the gigantic piles of money Black Panther and Captain Marvel made.

Personally, I think as long as Love and Thunder follows the rule of "make Jane Foster more awesome, don't make Thor less awesome" it's going to be a success.

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#106035: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:06:29 PM

Thanks to Mr Sunday Movies/The Weekly Planet I've been calling the Wanda Vision series Long Division.

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#106036: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:07:16 PM

[up][up]Frankly I'm starting to get concerned: the oxygen deprivation can't be good for the guy's health.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 24th 2019 at 9:07:38 AM

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#106037: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:11:03 PM

I mean there is a chance the MCU could lose steam sooner or later and I'm not sure how Feige will counter that. We still have a ways to go before mutants and the FF show up. Will people sans the internet fandom come out to see Jane wield the hammer?

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 24th 2019 at 8:13:41 AM

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#106038: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:21:42 PM

Or maybe they won't lose significant popularity anytime soon.

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#106039: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:28:24 PM

Don't be certain that isn't possible. They have lost a few major actors in Endgame, and people might only be invested in those actors and no one else.

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#106040: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:28:46 PM

The tendency to constantly jump genres helps keep the MCU fresh. I have no doubt they'll still be going long after all the other shared-universe bandwagon-jumpers have given up and gone back to doing their own thing.

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#106041: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:30:45 PM

We are changing things up like a lot.

The MCU is becoming ever the more different as each year passes.

The Eternals are most likely gonna be unlike anything we’ve ever seen.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2019 at 5:31:42 AM

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#106042: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:35:23 PM

I think that will be the deciding factor on if Phase 4 will enter a slump or not yes.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#106043: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:35:52 PM

At this point I only see the MCU losing a significant amount of popularity if they have a string of absolutely terrible movies.

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#106044: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:37:43 PM

or big movie that blows up pretty badly,and that does happen

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#106045: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:40:46 PM

We are changing things up like a lot.

The MCU is becoming ever the more different as each year passes.

The Eternals are most likely gonna be unlike anything we’ve ever seen.

We are.

It's because the MCU hit on a winning idea all the way back with Iron Man, and they've only refined it as the years passed: what if superhero movies didn't worry so much about the Superhero Movie Checklist?

Like, what even is a superhero? In comparison to all the other action heroes out there? What if we just made cool genre films starring characters who are, technically, "superhero" and "supervillain" characters? What if the only thing that makes Peter Quill "a superhero" and Han Solo "not a superhero" is that Peter Quill is printed by a Superhero Comic Book Company?

Batman is A Superhero Movie.

Spider-Man 2 is A Superhero Movie.

X2 is A Superhero Movie.

Superman Returns is A Superhero Movie.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a cool espionage/terrorism action thriller. With superheroes. And that is the key to the MCU's longevity and success: they don't take "superhero" as a genre.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 24th 2019 at 6:41:48 AM

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#106046: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:42:12 PM

Yeah the Eternal's is pretty much the deciding factor for the MCU now because it is the only movie I do not know what to expect anything from.

I am completely unfamiliar with the source material, I do not know any of the characters or any stories they have been & so I can't speculate at all on anything.

Sure I have no familiarity with Shang-Chi but its easy to assume his movie will be like an epic kung-fu flick & I can make some guesses as to how they'll portray the Mandarin.

When thinking about the Celestials though, jack-shit pops up & it is an utterly tantalizing feeling.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2019 at 5:43:40 AM

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#106047: Jul 24th 2019 at 5:49:03 PM

The reason classic Mandarin isn't in any of the Iron Man movies is, I think, because 1) he has too much lore to be introduced early on, and 2) he's an offensive Yellow Peril stereotype. Presumably the second problem will be removed in his new appearance, which may or may not be the same Mandarin as the one from All Hail the King. I hope so, because why not.

Edited by Lymantria on Jul 24th 2019 at 8:50:09 AM

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#106048: Jul 24th 2019 at 6:08:12 PM

[up]The Yellow Peril thing could've been fixed, the real reason the Mandarin never showed up was because he's magic and the MCU was hugging it's security blanket of Science Fiction very very tightly back then.

No wonder the Creative Comittee was made up primarily of people involved with the creation of the Ultimate line, where nearly every supernatural element was changed to yet another Super Soldier Project.

Also bit of an Irony I just realized: Wolverine, the character, is the one thing everyone agrees the Fox mutants did right, yet the story that made him popular was butchered by them twice.

Anyway, The Eternals: I was gonna compare it to Got G, but then I realized that while both of them are indeed black boxes, with Got G the Myth Arc was still in full swing, while in Phase 4 has bugger all to fall back on: no Spider-Man, no Avengers, no Iron Man, no Cap. There Strange, but he's hardly the big name the other heroes were, and Thor doesn't look like he's gonna show up in Thor, ironically. It really is a trial by fire, to see if the franchise can really keep going now that most of its cructhes are gone.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 24th 2019 at 10:16:08 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#106049: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:36:50 PM

[up] I never actually thought of it that way, but you are right in that at the time Iron Man 3 came out, the MCU was still very cautious about including magic.

There were a few shades of it before (Thor's vision in Age of Ultron), but it wasn't really until Doctor Strange that the MCU started using magic unapologetically.

It will be interesting to see how Shang-Chi manages to fight the Mandarin, considering that the latter has access to ten magical rings allowing for a stunning array of supernatural powers while Shang-Chi is really good at punching and kicking people.

I have no doubt they'll good solution and it's hardly the first time the main character has gone up against a villain who is in a higher weight class in the MCU (the aforementioned Doctor Strange being the most famous example), but it's still an interesting question.

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#106050: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:41:35 PM

I saw someone speculate that the Eternals would be the MCU equivalent to compete with DC's planned New Gods film and I think that's a pretty apt comparison.


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