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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#105976: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:22:31 AM

Over a decade and we're now just getting our first LGBT super hero on-screen.

Marvel, you need to be quicker on the draw.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#105977: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:25:04 AM

Technically we already had Word of God that Valkyrie was bisexual back when Ragnarok came out, they just haven't done anything with it until now.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105978: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:30:18 AM

They filmed the scenes but they were cut for some reason

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#105980: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:32:56 AM

I had this very argument with a work friend who was lamenting "forced diversity" — yes, he's one of those types. I pointed out that, if we could get to the point where LGBT characters in major action movies are represented in proportion to their presence in the general population and are no more remarkable than straight ones, then he'd have a valid complaint. Until then...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105981: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:33:13 AM

I blame focus groups,always their fault somehow

oh and executive meddling

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105982: Jul 24th 2019 at 7:52:02 AM

Why are focus groups never what the real people actually want?

PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#105983: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:04:30 AM

Honestly it's hard to find out what people want until they actually have it.

However this doesn't excuse focus groups from somehow being out of touch with reality.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105984: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:07:29 AM

The video-game Fuse had a focus group comprised of tween COD fanboys who turned a previously colorful & over the top fun game that doesn't take itself very seriously into a gritty grey cover-shooter that takes itself ultra-seriously.

There's also the I AM Legend focus group that wound up changing the movies ending just cause the hero realizing he's somewhat the villain is controversial.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2019 at 8:09:00 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105985: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:08:58 AM

The focus groups are made up of real people,remember that,often they are fans too,it's just

Opinions man,they vary,and the focus group is a select group of people with opinions,now you take vastness of entire group of people as opposed to that room and you''ll find a wide range difference of opinion,maybe even your views are included unlike say,the select group

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PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#105986: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:21:04 AM

Focus groups are almost always wrong.

If a studio is gonna sink millions of dollars into a production they should have the guts to put their product out with the faith that the masses will like it.

They also need to be brave enough to give us positive LGBT characters. Sadly few are.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#105987: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:29:46 AM

As much as people like to blame the Chinese market for lack of LGBT characters in films, the truth is Hollywood was finding excuses to exclude or obscure LGBT characters long before they started looking to China.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#105988: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:36:41 AM

[up][up] I think it's a bit like Executive Meddling, we hear about it when it resulted in an objectively worse movie, but when the studio notes resulted in a better movie, we almost never hear about it.

Few directors have the humility to admit that, had they been let off the studio leash, the movie would of been noticeably worse. Especially if they are never asked the question directly.

With Focus groups it's hard to say, and it's probably also depends greatly on how much effort they put into having a diverse focus group instead of just pulling a bunch of people off the street.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105989: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:52:19 AM

Yeah, one has to remember that many of the movies we like are the way they are because of executives meddling, not despite.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105990: Jul 24th 2019 at 8:59:28 AM

[up]Executives are like referees. You ignore them until a bad call is made.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#105991: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:20:11 AM

Regarding President Stark getting drunk and blowing up the White House, Tony has been remarkably good about staying away from alcohol after Demon in a Bottle. He even hangs around other people drinking and doesn’t drink which is often very hard for recovering alcoholics. Even when the world was about to end he didn’t drink, although he poured himself a drink and glared at it and then almost repulsored himself in the head.

I think his AI duplicate was drinking in Secret Empire though which is a mystery in itself

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105992: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:21:59 AM

Based off the title alone Demon in a Bottle it's about Stark freeing a demon who curses him to be an alcoholic

What,I have a very literal mind OK?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#105993: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:24:24 AM

He got three wishes but they all had to be “my life spirals into disaster”

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105994: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:26:33 AM

I think the one time he drank since then was in an event during a moment of desperation & he offered something of his that was of actual value to find the solution.

I think it was Fear Itself.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#105995: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:39:26 AM

I'm still at a loss for how Jane Foster is going to become Thor in Love and Thunder.

I'm psyched for it. But I have no idea how it'll happen without Mjolnir. It's a shame they didn't have the foresight to just keep the spare Mjolnir from Endgame.

Like, she could wield Stormbreaker, but I don't think that fits the lore? Stormbreaker's a powerful hammer, but it doesn't have Odin's "Whosoever holds this hammer" enchantment. It's just a really cool magic axe that Thor made. Tony could probably lift Stormbreaker, no questions asked.

Like. There's a reason Endgame brought Mjolnir to the future for Steve's awesome "lifting the hammer" moment rather than just having Thor hand him Stormbreaker. Lifting Mjolnir means something. Lifting Stormbreaker means Thor let you touch his things.

Which has me wondering. Mjolnir was left in shattered pieces on some island in Ireland. It wasn't tossed into a black hole or something. So maybe the film will start with Jane somehow coming into possession of the hammer's pieces? Maybe someone found these broken metal pieces that no one can pick up and now there's a lab on the site studying them or something?

In the comics, Jane had a special relationship with Mjolnir. The hammer could do things under her power that it couldn't do for Thor. So maybe in the MCU, Jane's supposed to, like, reforge Mjolnir or something - paying off that whole plotline about Jane studying Asgard's magicy sciency magic-science.

I don't know. I'm really curious to see how they're going to handle this.

Also: I've heard all this stuff about Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie and all this stuff about Natalie Portman's Lady Thor but y'know who I haven't heard anything about? Chris Hemsworth's Thor. Since Thor f*cked off with the Guardians, I wonder if Valkyrie and Jane are going to be the actual stars of the movie? I'd be down for that.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 24th 2019 at 10:41:53 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#105996: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:41:28 AM

Yeah I'm guessing she'll reforge it. Maybe even give it a new look in the process.

Edited by LordVatek on Jul 24th 2019 at 12:42:14 PM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#105997: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:47:12 AM

[up][up]During the panel, Taika said the "Love" part of the title referred to Thor's friendship with Korg. Hemsworth also made a lot of comments and jokes to the effect of "Yeah, Thor's still gonna be lounging on the couch, but he's improving slowly".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 24th 2019 at 9:48:15 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#105998: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:47:17 AM

Yeah, reforging is probably the way to go. The pieces presumably were still lying on the field in Norway when the Asgardians arrived on Earth, and I'm sure someone scooped them up and brought them to New Asgard during the 5 year timeskip.

Actually putting the pieces back together will probably be a plot point in Love and Thunder.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#105999: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:48:25 AM

Thor probably keeps them in a drawer and looks at them wistfully every so often

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#106000: Jul 24th 2019 at 9:51:28 AM

Huh wait did Odin take away Thor's power & literally lock it up in the hammer?

How much power does the hammer itself have if Thor's powers are derived entirely from himself?

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