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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105951: Jul 24th 2019 at 1:39:12 AM

That's actually something that came up in the comics. The government wanted Rhodey to run for President because they were really worried Tony would run for President someday and win based on his superhero cred. And they knew he'd be a disaster.

Edited by M84 on Jul 24th 2019 at 4:39:32 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105952: Jul 24th 2019 at 2:09:16 AM

cmon, what is the worst that can happen if tony run for president?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105953: Jul 24th 2019 at 2:39:03 AM

The worst? Let's see...

1) He falls off the wagon again and wrecks the WH in a drunken frenzy in his suit.

2) He declares war on Latveria due to his on and off rivalry with Doom over whose suit is better reaching a breaking point.

3) He gets caught with his pants down with not just one intern but all the interns.

4) He becomes a micromanaging boss from hell who tries to take over all the responsibilities of the Cabinet.

5) He gives too many tax breaks and lowers regulations for Silicon Valley.

Disgusted, but not surprised
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105955: Jul 24th 2019 at 2:50:54 AM

You mean the one with Garth Ennis' zombie vikings turning New York City into a death camp that wouldn't look out of place in his other series Crossed?

No thanks.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105956: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:10:33 AM

[up]Yes, that one. And I was in Joking Mode. Of course nobody in his right mind would want to adapt this crap.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#105957: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:17:07 AM

You mean the one with Garth Ennis' zombie vikings turning New York City into a death camp that wouldn't look out of place in his other series Crossed?

I haven't read this book but for some reason this sounds tame compared to what Ennis usually writes. Is there anything in particular I should be wary of?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105958: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:17:24 AM

I mean, I'm pretty sure even the people who like Garth Ennis would be unwilling to defend that mess.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105959: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:24:11 AM

Pretty much the only person who defends it is Garth Ennis. Most fans don't like it. Hell, most of Marvel's writers don't like it. To the point they have pretty much never acknowledged it as canon.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105960: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:28:46 AM

I haven't read this book but for some reason this sounds tame compared to what Ennis usually writes. Is there anything in particular I should be wary of?

You mean aside from the usual grimdark stuff? Well, let's see... it rewrites the way magic works in this setting for the sole purpose of humiliating Thor, the main villain is a giant Villain Sue who only ends up losing because the story required him to, and the other Avengers get defeated offscreen. Hope that helps^^

Pretty much the only person who defends it is Garth Ennis. Most fans don't like it. Hell, most of Marvel's writers don't like it. To the point they have pretty much never acknowledged it as canon.

Yet he must have fans, because I don't see any other explanation why he still gets job or why two of his comics are getting adapted into series. Personally I hate that guy and everything he stands for (primarily because he hates and shits on everything I love), but eh.

On a sidenote, I personally feel that premise could have actually been good had it been handled by anyone else. I mean, on paper, Thor fighting zombie vikings sounds badass... oh, wait.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jul 24th 2019 at 12:32:06 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105961: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:31:36 AM

[up]Yeah, he has fans...but even they probably wouldn't defend that particular story much.

And of course he has fans. Some of his stuff is actually pretty good. Heck, I'm not a fan of his, and I actually still like most of Preacher.

The Boys is however a garbage fire.

Edited by M84 on Jul 24th 2019 at 6:32:20 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#105962: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:32:02 AM

Hell, The Boys has been renewed for a second season already.

RE: Tony and Trump. Isn't Tony also an environmentalist? That seems to be a point against him voting for Trump.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105963: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:33:19 AM

[up][up]I hate it, but admittedly that's mostly because I hate stories where God Is Evil.

[up]Wait what?! They renewed it already?! But season 1 hasn't even come out yet as far as I know...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105964: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:37:19 AM

From what I gather Preacher's tv show has nothing in common with the comic,fans are not happy about that,everyone else is though

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105965: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:38:11 AM

I've avoided the show partly for that reason.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105966: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:39:54 AM

The Viatnam arc of Punisher MAX was pretty neat.

Other than that, I can't talk much about his work. I mind neither grimdark nor gore, and as a SMT and general JRPG fan I have high tolerance for anti-religion themes, but the sheer amount of preaching the guy gets up to is a complete turnoff.

I hate, hate, hate when I'm experimenting any work of fiction and I start feeling it's preaching at me. I wanted to be preached at, I'd go to mass, goddamnit!

(The irony of a Catholic man complaining about preaching is very much noted)

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105967: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:40:04 AM

The Boys got a season 2 renewal already? Wow, just...wow.

I wish my job was half as secure.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#105968: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:40:49 AM

Re: whether Stark is an enrironmentalist: Only in the same sense as people backing carbon sequestration. That is, he wants (and makes) tech-based solutions to the climate crisis, and since he exists in a fictional world, that’s sufficient.

There’s no indication of whether he’d support the coordinated government action, regulations, and sacrifices that would, in the real world, be needed to make any substantive process.

I agree that he’d vote for Trump - at least, the Stark we see in the first two phases of the MCU certainly would. They’re both anti-government billionaires with garish taste who don’t respect women and have egos the size of Ego the Living Planet. Trump is basically Tony Stark’s id.

Edited by Galadriel on Jul 24th 2019 at 6:41:49 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105969: Jul 24th 2019 at 3:41:44 AM

I'd vote for Pepper Pots personally

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105970: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:14:35 AM

@Hail Muffins: Oh, you're Catholic too? Nice^^ I wish I had your tolerance for anti-religious themes, though. It's kind of a Berserk Button for me.

I agree that he’d vote for Trump - at least, the Stark we see in the first two phases of the MCU certainly would. They’re both anti-government billionaires with garish taste who don’t respect women and have egos the size of Ego the Living Planet. Trump is basically Tony Stark’s id.

Jesus, why do Trump always get compared to cool people despite being such a joke?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105971: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:17:27 AM

Probably because a lot of traits that are cool in fictional characters aren't always so cool in real life.

I'd personally compare Stark to Elon Musk instead. For better or worse.

Edited by M84 on Jul 24th 2019 at 7:20:03 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105972: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:20:21 AM

[up][up]I was one of those dickhead Hollywood Atheist types back in highschool.

It's, uhm,not a time of my life I look back fondly, and frankly that's about the least of it.

As for Trump/Tony, I respectfully disagree: Tony wouldn't want to vote at all. The man was so self-centered back in the first movie I doubt he could spend so much as a second to think about anything else other than his projects and how he'd get wasted that evening.

Pepper pretty much ran the company already at that point, remember, and after Stane died she was the de facto CEO.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 24th 2019 at 8:54:57 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105973: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:20:44 AM

[up][up]Traits in fictional characters that seem fun would in real life be associated with narcissism or sociopathic behavior.

Case in point - Zack Morris.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 24th 2019 at 7:22:05 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105974: Jul 24th 2019 at 4:51:05 AM

[up][up]I understand, not gonna ask details^^ I think I see the type.

And yeah, I doubt Tony would vote Trump as well, pretty much for the same reasons.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105975: Jul 24th 2019 at 6:37:00 AM

Wait didn’t Preacher become more like the comics in the following seasons?

Also who knows maybe The Boys tv show will turn the subject matter into something actually watchable? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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