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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105876: Jul 22nd 2019 at 10:34:48 PM

He's the only character I can actually see gleefully peeing into a jar and gently placing it on a Senator's desk.

And if you think I'm making that shit up, watch Batman v Superman and you'll see that yes he actually placed a jar of pee on her desk so he must have done that.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105877: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:24:08 PM

Also, Eisenberg does not look good with a bald head. He looks like a giant baby.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105878: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:40:02 PM

I too would put Killian over Malekith. As much as Killian devolved into a boring cliche by the end, he did devolve. The first half or so of the movie, where he's this enigmatic head of a mysterious conspiracy involving fake terrorists and mad science and all that good stuff was pretty engaging - enough that you can almost put aside the crap about his needless lust over Pepper or his tacked on Syndrome-lite reason for hating Tony.

But then he turns into Snidely Whiplash and all that good will gets punted out a window. But still, he had a good start. It's like Electro from Amazing Spider-Man 2: stuck the liftoff expertly, almost managed the flight, screwed up the landing and plopped into the toilet bowl instead.

Meanwhile, Malekith is just bad from start to finish, with everything that might have been engaging drained off in favor of what I could only assume were ill-advised attempts an attempt to make him more intimidating. And I'm still pissed off about Kurse.

I think what puts even Malekith over Steppenwulf, even though they share problems, is that while he's a pretty bland villain, what he does do and the kind of scenes he's involved with are still fun to watch and cool to follow. Black hole grenades? Invisible starfighters? A freaking teleport-spam final battle? Neat. Steppenwulf meanwhile is a conglomeration of muted tones and substance-less visuals that just... doesn't make an impression. At all.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:44:17 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105879: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:44:16 PM

What was Electro's problem?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#105880: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:48:09 PM

I guess another thing with Steppenwolf is that Justice League came out in 2017, the same year that saw the MCU give us Ego, Adrian Toomes, AND Hela. And the Grandmaster. They're uh, a fair step up.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105881: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:48:48 PM

Electro started out really, really well. An interesting introduction. An unsettling characterization, but still pitiable with a sympathetic origin. A first fight that's visually and character-wise very cool, tragic but shows off a lot of both characters. The scene at Duffy Square is one of the better scenes in the ASM series (which, even as maligned as those movies are, is saying something - some of the scenes in those films are damn good).

But right after that point, ASM 2 starts running full force into what turned out to be its biggest problem: it wants to do all the things, and drops developing the things it already has adequately in order to get all the things out there. So like a light switch, offscreen Electro instantly goes from sympathetic dude going through a superpowered nervous breakdown to "don't you know? I'm Electro," ranting about yadda yadda replace Spider-Man, and trying to take over the city.

Like Killian, what made him interesting disappears halfway through the plot in favor of making him more by numbers.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:49:38 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#105882: Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:51:53 PM

Electro’s starting scenes as an unlucky nerd can feel too comical, while his flip into an intimidating doomsday villain feels abrupt. Then he gets crowded out by Harry Goblin.

I personally felt TASM Electro’s conceptual foundation was good. He had an tragic core of someone who is afraid of being ignored by the world and then decides to crush it after all it’s put him through. But they played it too heavyhanded, and then he gets disposed of without an ounce of sympathy toward his mistreated life.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:52:39 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#105883: Jul 23rd 2019 at 12:55:08 AM

The sad thing is that Malekith is pretty cool in the comics. It's a shame the film version had so little in common.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 23rd 2019 at 3:32:28 PM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105884: Jul 23rd 2019 at 2:02:04 AM

[up]Yeah, Malekith in the comic is very good. It's weird how they took a villain who has such glee being evil and turned him into a guy who is all the time stoic and expressing no joy.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105885: Jul 23rd 2019 at 5:34:32 AM

Malekith in the comics is a gleefully malevolent trickster, very much The Joker as an elf. I have no idea why Movie!Malekith was so devoid of personality.

Perhaps they thought it would make him too similar to Loki.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105886: Jul 23rd 2019 at 5:38:06 AM

Anyway, James Gunn confirms Thor will not be in his superhero movie.

Too busy, didn't click: James Gunn established that GOTG Vol. 3 is happening after he finishes his DC movie The Suicide Squad. A tweeter asked if Thor will be a part of "it" without specifying either GOTG Vol. 3 or TSS. Gunn exploited this and confirmed Thor won't appear in The Suicide Squad.

...Thor's appearing in Vol. 3, isn't he?evil grin

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105887: Jul 23rd 2019 at 5:42:32 AM

I still kind of like Killian if only because the actor really sells the slimy, Smug Snake characterization of the character.

Far as villains in the MCU goes, for me it's a tie between Malekith and Abomination. And I also never been particularly fond of Obadiah Stane either.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#105888: Jul 23rd 2019 at 6:31:43 AM

On the "Thor in Guardians" question: Gunn has confirmed that Love and Thunder takes place prior to Guradians 3, so what Thor would be like in Guardians is still up in the air. Also, given The Suicude Squad is still in development and Guardians will production as soon as that's finished, Gunn may not have a full story idea quite yet.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#105889: Jul 23rd 2019 at 6:44:10 AM

Gunn had at least a completed first draft of Vol 3's Script before he was "fired" and some pre-production was in the works for Vol 3 as well. Given that he DID have access to the story line and scripts for IW and Endgame as a Producer there's a chance he knew about Thor being added to the Guardians before hand and worked that into the script.

So it's a safe bet that the Got G will be mentioned in Love and Thunder if we don't have full blown cameos, but up in the air if he'll rejoin the Got G post Love and Thunder. But given we have time before Got G 3 starts filming he might be tweeking the script for Love and Thunder

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105890: Jul 23rd 2019 at 6:48:15 AM

> Malekith in the comics is a gleefully malevolent trickster, very much The Joker as an elf. I have no idea why Movie!Malekith was so devoid of personality.

wild mass guess The real Malekith was busy,the guy who filled in for him was a Skrull

Just like how The Mandarin was played by imposter

Or you can blame executive meddling that resulted in his personalty being left on the cutting room floor

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#105891: Jul 23rd 2019 at 6:48:50 AM

Killian was at least a better use of Guy Pearce than Malekith was of Christopher Eccleston.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#105892: Jul 23rd 2019 at 7:00:11 AM

I think an evil Human Torch is a more interesting idea than another dark elf.

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105893: Jul 23rd 2019 at 7:01:35 AM

wild mass guess Killian was a skrull too

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#105894: Jul 23rd 2019 at 8:13:23 AM

wild mass guess All the villains where skrulls and thats why they're angry with the Avengers and are going with a Secret Invasion.wild mass guess

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105896: Jul 23rd 2019 at 8:31:05 AM

no shes a Kree

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105897: Jul 23rd 2019 at 9:02:37 AM

OK,I found Spiderman's next villain

Villain with a thing for portals,and a cool looking costume

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 23rd 2019 at 4:04:44 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#105898: Jul 23rd 2019 at 9:11:16 AM

Given how the Spider-Man movies have set up Scorpion, Prowler, and Chameleon without having any of them get into their suits, I think the next Spidey movie will be Sinister Six.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#105900: Jul 23rd 2019 at 9:28:46 AM

There was a guy named Dmitri.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers

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