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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Going back to Thor 1, Darcy was amazing.
Jane was okay. She didn't really get obnoxious until The Dark World.
Selvig was "My girlfriend's dad." That was 100% his archetype. It was the beginning and end of his character.
Marvel Studios greatly misjudged the reception to this cast when they decided that the Breakout Character everyone wanted to see more of was Selvig. They even brought him into the comics!
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 22nd 2019 at 8:09:56 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I've said before that Phase 3 is really when Marvel started becoming comfortable enough with their characters to take risks with the stories. Phase 1 was super-formulaic but it built enough trust with the audience to allow for that risk-taking.
A major studio actually caring about what the audience likes and wants while simultaneously messing with their formulas in an attempt to bring in new things? It's like lightning striking twice on a winning lottery ticket!
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 22nd 2019 at 10:15:53 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"MCU Phase 2 was half of the creative team wanting to 'Stick to Formula' and half the team wanting to try new stuff now they had their footing and the cash to actually take some risks hence all the behind the scenes drama that caused Portman to leave. Phase 3 was shedding the last of the people refusing to take risks.
They went through a lot of drafts of Civil War — some with Spider-Man, some without Spider-Man (Tony would recruit Ant-Man instead of Spider-Man), and one version without Tony at all (Markus and McFeely said they were trying to do a version of the "Madbomb" story, but it wasn't working at all).
Edited by alliterator on Jul 22nd 2019 at 11:39:45 AM
IIRC it was his continuing inference, with Civil War being the breaking point, you can see the cracks before that in IM 3, Dark World, Ao U and Antman, where there was EPIC amounts of meddling that altered the final form of all of those films. And the borderline blackmail to get Captain Marvel and Black Panther green lit didn't help.
The story goes that Feige was getting irritated with Perlmutter's penny pinching in Civil War...to the point where they were rumors that Perlmutter wanted to FIRE RDJ from the film because he felt his salary was too high and REPLACE him going forward, finally Feige told Disney "He goes or I go!" And rather than lose Feige they moved Marvel Studios to Disney and out of Perlmutter's hands, though the latter still had control of the TV side of things.
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Edited by ShadowWingLG on Jul 22nd 2019 at 1:42:50 PM
At a certain point, a desire to cut costs actively hampers the creative process and needs to be resisted. Films that gross a billion dollars can take a few financial risks.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Blueace. I still hate that they took the one arguably good plot development from Dark World and made it into a joke. I don't even recall them doing anything particularly interesting WITH Loki in Ragnarok. So it's not like it was sacrificed for something even better.
I think Ragnarok is my pick for the most overrated Marvel movie. I really did not get the love that it got.
Kaze ni Nare!Of course, Perlmutter is known for being really frugal. Back when Marvel went Marvel nearly went bankrupt, Perlmutter caused so much trouble auditing everything he could audit and micromanaged money in a way that makes Jim Shooter look tame in comparison.
He's also a piece of work when it came to minorities and women. He replaced Terrance Howard because money and said "all black people look a like" about recasting and thought female heroes wouldn't work because Catwoman, despite the male superheroes failing in the past like Superman 4, Superman Returns, Batman and Robin, etc. yet he was willing to make heroes headlining males.
His penny pinching, as much of a pain in the ass it was, did buy time for Marvel.
Edited by Dr.XXX on Jul 22nd 2019 at 2:50:20 PM
Of course, after the company became a billion dollar money maker, it didn't need that penny pinching anymore. And yet he still did it. Heck, the director of the first two episodes of Inhumans said he was hired because he could make it "fast and cheap."
I think the difference is that while Jim Shooter cared about getting the company in a sound financial position he also cared about the writers and artists and did a lot for them. Of course, he came from that side of things himself.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersReplacing RDJ would've been colossally stupid.
Wasn't Howard replaced because of a contract dispute?
I have no idea who the Eternals are, but if the MCU can make the super-obscure GOTG into great movies (the first one is one of my all-time favorite MCU films, lameness of Ronan aside; the second one, while not quite as good IMO, is still very good, and Ego's a great villain), I feel they can do the same with the Eternals.
What? Ragnarok is my favorite Thor movie by far and my third or fourth favorite in the whole MCU. Thor is way better as a straight comedy.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 22nd 2019 at 2:57:42 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Of course, after the company became a billion dollar money maker, it didn't need that penny pinching anymore. And yet he still did it. Heck, the director of the first two episodes of Inhumans said he was hired because he could make it "fast and cheap."
Exactly this. Great war-time generals don't always make good peace-time diplomats and vice versa. It's all about mindset.
Perlmutter wasn't penny-pinching because Marvel was in dire straits. He was penny-pinching because he's a penny-pincher. Which, because Marvel was in dire straits, was exactly what the company needed right then and there.
But it's been like two decades. The company's situation has changed significantly. So now it needs different leadership from a perspective more suitable to their current status. But Penny-Pinching Perlmutter is still there.
This is why monarchies are bad.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 22nd 2019 at 1:02:17 PM
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Exactly and Darcy fit the criteria.
Anyway, yeah i hope she stuck with Jane all those years.
Edited by Cortez on Jul 22nd 2019 at 9:57:30 AM