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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105601: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:11:27 PM

[up]Give him Whistler or Frost. Something.

Personally I blame the nonsense with Trinity on David S. Goyer, but obviously I wasn’t there.

Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105602: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:18:50 PM

[up] There's also his stint in jail for tax evasion. But compared to the criminals of Hollywood today...

That's way too little to justify keeping him out. Some actors got a free pass for way worse.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 11:20:34 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105603: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:21:48 PM

[up]Agreed, especially given he was apparently talking about reprising the role for Netflix when that was a thing.

Give him a supporting role, work the magic, and people will love it.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#105604: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:24:12 PM

Has Mahershala played more Marvel characters than any other actor? Cottonmouth, Prowler, and now Blade.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105605: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:27:04 PM

Can the Mandarin be done without the character coming off as a Yellow Peril stereotype?

Short answer is yes. Long answer is that it’s no harder than it would be making Man-Ape into a respectable character despite the character being a blatant “muscly savage Scary Black Man” stereotype, or Wong not a “submissive Asian manservant” stereotype.

In Iron Man 3, they chose not to put in the work to make the character work. Not that it was a bad idea conceptually (I still think the twist was brilliant, I’d only they hadn’t flubbed what followed after it), but it left something missing that didn’t become fully evident until Black Panther came along and unabashedly chose not to sweep those characters under the rug and instead chose to put in that work to remove the problematic aspects and instead make them shine.

Given Shang Chi’s origin story, I’m suspecting the Mandarin is going to end up as something of a “Alexander Pierce (Winter Soldier) meets the Ancient One” type, especially heavy on the Pierce part.

Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105606: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:30:05 PM

[up] Hoping they'll give him a similar armor to the one from Armored Adventures. Because I still remember it and it was Badass.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 11:30:22 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105607: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:31:40 PM

Please, keep Mandarin unarmored. There are enough evil armored IM foes as it is.

All I want is his goddamn rings.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105608: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:32:48 PM

[up]I still remember the 90’s cartoon Mandarin, who was a Luddite, until the finale where he did don power armor. Tony even calls him out on the massive hypocrisy.

Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105609: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:33:32 PM

[up][up] I was just tinking about the helmet. No need to bring the entire armor.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 11:34:18 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#105610: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:33:42 PM

Context is key, here. The optics of an Asian villain being fought by an Asian superhero are different than an Asian villain vs. a white guy in a cast full of varying portrayals of Asian characters.

Much like how the reception to M'Baku or Killmonger likely would've been far different had they been the bad guys in a Captain America movie or something.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#105611: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:38:09 PM

Since Selma is playing Ajak, i wonder if there will be other gender flips.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#105612: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:42:57 PM

After winning his Oscar for Greenbook, Mahershala called Marvel and told Feige he wanted to play Blade[1]

Edited by ComicFan on Jul 20th 2019 at 8:43:46 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#105613: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:44:47 PM

Finally.

Speaking to io9 in the wake of Marvel Studios’ barnstorming San Diego Comic-Con panel, Kevin Feige confirmed, as Thompson herself teased during Love and Thunder’s unveiling, that Valkyrie will be involved in an LGBTQ storyline as Asgard’s new ruler seeks out a Queen to rule alongside her.

“The answer is yes,” Feige said of Valkyrie having an LGBTQ storyline. “How that impacts the story remains to be seen with that level of representation you’ll see across our films, not in just Thor 4.”

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Puppy love
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#105614: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:53:33 PM

[up][up] Well, call that "persuasive".

Also, I gotta say, I am impressed by the announcements. Particularly Thor.

Edited by NotSoBadassLongcoat on Jul 20th 2019 at 5:54:32 PM

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Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105615: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:57:43 PM

Snipes spends years negotiating to reprise his role: nothing.

Ali makes a simple phone call: he gets the gig.

Knowing it was the latter's idea rather than Feige's makes me feel somewhat better, at least.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 11:58:34 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105616: Jul 20th 2019 at 8:59:25 PM

Yeah, Snipes should really show up.

And I'm guessing no one was overly fond of my idea of bringing Del Toro back on the director's helm?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105617: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:00:35 PM

Since Selma is playing Ajak, i wonder if there will be other gender flips.
Of the Eternals they are using, three have been gender-flipped (Ajak, Makkari, and Sprite), probably because most of the Eternals were male.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 20th 2019 at 9:00:49 AM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#105618: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:00:48 PM

Del Toro is my #1 choice to direct

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105619: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:05:43 PM

Wesley Snipes is a 56 year faded hollywood star who hasn't had a bonafide hit since Blade II., which was twenty years ago, and has been in jail for tax evasion. Bad bet to cast him as the main star of a reboot, much as I like him.

I do think they should cast him as a secondary role though.

GDT would be amazing, but I question if they're willing to go the r-rated route and giving GDT the creative control he demands of his projects.

Actually I hope it's R-Rated. Lessgo Marvel.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 20th 2019 at 9:07:33 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105620: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:06:02 PM

It's not that bring Del Toro into the director's chair is a bad idea. In fact, it would be a dream come true.

It's just that the guy has a massive attention deficit. If you want him on the project, you have to ensure he'll stick until the end and not get distracted by another movie idea midway through.

Oh, and he can't stand Executive Meddling. You want Del Toro? Then let him do his goddamn job.

Getting him to direct a movie is pretty much Difficult, but Awesome.

[up] He played the character for 3 movies. Call him a wash-out if you want, but he deserves to pass the torch on-screen at the very least. Not with a motherfuckin' Tweet.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 12:10:51 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105621: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:08:35 PM

I wouldn't say GDT is that unfocused. His problem is pursuing many projects at once and not getting any of them off the ground, but if he's directing a movie, he sticks to it and sees it through. He has never abandoned a movie midway through.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105622: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:16:00 PM

[up][up] By that logic Toby Maguire should have had a role in Amazing Spider-Man to pass the torch to Andrew Garfield.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105623: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:18:13 PM

[up]That was different, and remember, Marvel wanted Tobey to cameo in Avengers 1 before Sony said no.

Snipes is a decent actor, and he’s associated with the role. Let him be Whistler.

Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105624: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:22:24 PM

[up] That was the Oscorp Tower actually. The reason it didn't happen was because special effects were too far done to add it in.

Otherwise, yeah: Blade's recast is not comparable to Spider-man's. Plus, Into the Spider-verse was actually meant to give both Garfield and Maguire cameos as their incarnations, but lawyers screwed it.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 20th 2019 at 12:24:17 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#105625: Jul 20th 2019 at 9:36:27 PM

I mean it would certainly be a nice gesture but I don't think it's a requirement.

This song needs more love.

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