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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#105351: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:10:08 PM

Yeah, ok, sure, like Hulk fighting a giant wolf while Thor descended wreathed in lightning while Immigrant Song blasted wasn’t one of the most spectacular things put on film in the MCU.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105352: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:12:49 PM

[up]short answer? no.

Long answer: Aside of fight starting with a joke of banner jumping and not transforming, the fight ending with both falling(really?), I didnt find the fight impresive, the ship chase in sakaar or hell, thor and surgur little fight look more impresive to me.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105353: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:56:16 PM

Oh come on, this scene is fucking awesome:

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105354: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:25:02 AM

I just want Thor to crossdress to get his hammer back from some sneaky frost giants

oh and the chariot pulled by cats

myths are weird

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105355: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:29:32 AM

I prefer the Simonson version, where the chariot is pulled by goats.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#105356: Jul 19th 2019 at 7:58:09 PM

What if they made an Iron Man 4 starring Riri Williams with Ezekial Stane and Justine/Sasha Hammer as the villains?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105357: Jul 19th 2019 at 7:59:45 PM

[up]Wouldn't that be a little on the nose for a "passing torch" story?

I mean, even Batman Beyond waited a season to pitch Terry against old rogues.

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#105358: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:03:16 PM

That's fair. What Iron Man villains that haven't been used yet would be good for Riri to face in her first outing? The Living Laser? Technovore? The Zodiac? Actually, probably not the Zodiac, they're a bit too big of a threat for movie 1.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#105359: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:05:49 PM

I mean when Riri gets added (and I feel that's very much a when and not an if), there's difficulty with regards to villains given she hasn't been around that long. Now, I am not keeping up with her ongoing, but to my understanding she is currently in conflict with the Ten Rings, the very same terrorist organization from Iron Man 1. That being said, I trust Feige and co's ability to get filmmakers who can square that circle (which honestly isn't a dealbreaker given the MCU's historic success in spite of lackluster villains in the beginning).

There's also the fact that both Zeke and Sasha are legacies for rogues the cinematic equivalent has already fought.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 19th 2019 at 11:11:44 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105360: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:14:15 PM

And the whole Sins of Our Fathers has already been done enough times, no? Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Black Panther, Ant-Man, even Doctor Strange, in a way.

I think it would be for the best to bring back the Ten Rings as Reri's primary villains, same way HYDRA always has a hand in Cap films.

The first film would be Reri stbling on some major Ten Rings operation and foiling it, the second with her taling the fight to the Mandarin himself, and the third would be the renmants of the organization targeting her specifically as revange.

That's a trilogy right there.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105361: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:20:23 PM

Aldritch Killian was also basically Ezekiel Stane two steps removed, so he'd be cutting in a little close.

I'd say they should use someone who's not "interchangeable corrupt white guy number 700" for the villain. At best I think they could go with a proper Diabolical Mastermind Evil Old Folks version of Justin Hammer (say he's Justin Hammer's father/uncle or something who came out of retirement to handle Hammer industries after Justin's arrest) but even that's a little repetitive.

Out of the remaining IM foes I'd say either Controller (with his shtick of hijacking armors) or Spymaster (due his industrial espionage shenanigans) provide the more intriguing matches, power-wise, but they're also rather thin on character so I guess it's anyone's game.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#105362: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:22:35 PM

There's also Fin Fang Foom, minus the more Yellow Peril aspects of his backstory.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105363: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:25:52 PM

This is actually something I've been meaning to ask, but what does seperates a simply Asian villain from an Yellow Peril? I can't say I'm in any way familiar with the stereotype.

Though even I can tell they should most definitaly change the name.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#105364: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:26:18 PM

[up]x2 Honestly, I think cribbing the Makulan rings from Armored Adventures would be a pretty compelling set up if they want to that sort of route. Gets you a nice set of plot coupons that allow for visually interesting fights and they provide a potentially compelling backstory to Fin Fang Foom.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 19th 2019 at 11:26:40 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105365: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:33:05 PM

Doing the Makluan Rings now would make them very similar to the Infinity Stones.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#105366: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:05:07 PM

This is actually something I've been meaning to ask, but what does seperates a simply Asian villain from an Yellow Peril?

The distinguishing trait is that a Yellow Peril villain is written to invoke fears of America (and the world) getting taken over by Asian nations. See China Takes Over the World , Japan Takes Over the World, etc. Think films like Blade Runner, with its vision of Los Angeles under heavy Japanese influence as dystopic, or Star Wars Episode I's villains being thinly-veiled Space Fu Manchu.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 19th 2019 at 9:06:18 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#105367: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:59:52 PM

Being Asian is not a problem. However, if your villain's main distinctive trait is being Asian, you have a problem.

Oh, and I'm about to finish Jessica's first season tomorrow. So, does Hogarth go anywhere after Pam and her break off?

Also, Hogarth stole a deceased fetus. Why is this not mentioned more!?

Man, a lot of Simpson's stuff feels as though it's putting in the groundwork for season 2 while not being very connected to Kevin or his stuff. IGS, Kozlov's drugs, Jessica's powers after the accident...

After that, Luke Cage season 2. It supposedly makes up forLuke Cage season one.

Is there anything I need to be reminded of from season one before I go into season two?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105368: Jul 19th 2019 at 10:02:51 PM

You actually might want to watch The Defenders before you check out season 2 of Luke Cage.

The latter spoils a plot point or two for the former.

Also, some stuff from Dare Devil season 2 and Iron Fist season 1 also lead into Defenders.

...get some pain killer for Iron Fist season 1. Nothing makes people angrier than that series.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#105369: Jul 19th 2019 at 10:10:34 PM

Luke Cage has a decent first season and a legit great second season, with some of my favorite villains in the whole MCU in Mariah Stokes/Dillard and Bushmaster.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#105371: Jul 19th 2019 at 11:19:07 PM

Iron Fist s1 is still bad though. It improves a lot in the second half, but not to the point it becomes great, and that first half is insufferably boring. It's legitimately some of the worst television I have seen in a long time. if I hadn't decided to watch it from beginning to end for a review I was gonna write, I would have never sat through it.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jul 19th 2019 at 2:20:30 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105372: Jul 19th 2019 at 11:30:21 PM

My first immediate thought for an Iron Man villain who wasn't used is The Living Laser, one of my favorites concept-wise. I always figured they could give him the origin of being the accidental result of a human attempt to replicate the Bifrost, since that was a thing in the earlier Marvel movies.

Also MODOK, though he's more a shared villain between Iron Man and Cap. Also the Maggia: they technically appeared in Agent Carter, but as a more traditional mafia with little in common with the comics concept, so they could pretty much just bring in Count Nefaria at any time.

I'm still shocked, shocked, that neither Zeke Stane or Sasha Hammer showed up in Agents of SHIELD. Young, hip science/corrupt businessmen villains to match our young hip lineup science spy heroes? Seemed like a no brainer, especially in the early seasons.

I could see Justine Hammer, though, if they do the Crimson Cowl. If the connection to Hammer is a problem, they could even just change her last name or something. Especially if we get the Thunderbolts, she would make an interesting replacement for leader if they decide not to do Zemo for that.

On the flipside, they could bring in Sasha but connect her to the Mandarin instead, since he's her dad.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 19th 2019 at 11:38:44 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105373: Jul 19th 2019 at 11:45:41 PM

[up][up]I wouldn't know, I never watched it to the end because after reading through a bit of the comic run it was adapting I was expecting Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon meets The Raid, or R-rated Ong-Baknote .

I think I managed to get through about an episode and an half before washing my hands off the thing entirely.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105374: Jul 20th 2019 at 6:29:05 AM

Marvel Studios' presentation in SDCC's Hall H is later today.

Anyone excited/nervous/whatever?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105375: Jul 20th 2019 at 6:31:22 AM

im excited as it could mean

1)Cloning Saga

2)ONE MORE DAY

You never know after Civil War..

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