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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#105126: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:23:30 AM

I wonder how much involvement James Gunn had in the Avengers films, given the major implications for the Guardians franchise that Endgame left us with.

Not only did Endgame completely reset the development for one of his characters (Gamora), but now he also has to work Thor into the group dynamic. I'm excited for Thor joining the group. While I am still mad about Gamora's fridging, I do hope the opportunity is shift New Gamora closer to her comic counterpart, the Deadliest Woman in the Universe.

But I wonder how much of that was Gunn involved in, and how much was just foisted on him? Replacing Gamora with New Gamora has some heavy implications for the obnoxious Quill/Gamora romance, especially since Nebula and New Gamora seemed as unimpressed by it in Endgame as I've been while watching it. I really hope Gunn doesn't just awkwardly try and shoehorn New Gamora right back into the exact slot that the old Gamora had in the plot.

I know Gunn's had ideas for what he wants to do with Guardians 3 since Guardians 2 at least. Adam Warlock was set up to be a big deal in Guardians 3. Which raises the question: did he know he'd need to write a role for Thor when hammering out that idea?

Guardians 3 is going to be a trip for a variety of reasons.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105127: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:36:50 AM

[up]Well, the two movies were written at the same time, weren't they? So likely he was pretty heavily involved. Most of the Guardians lines were either written or went through him IIRC.

And I like the Quill/Gamora romance, but I already accepted that I'm wrong.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#105128: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:58:46 AM

I think Gamora might wind up in a relationship with Adam Warlock like she does in the comics, and Quill will have to come to terms with that and move on

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#105129: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:07:41 AM

...oh, god, now I'm getting nervous that we're going to have to deal with love triangle nonsense.

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#105130: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:18:58 AM

Now you’ve made me nervous

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#105131: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:20:36 AM

Especially since "come to terms with that and move on" isn't what heroes in cinema do.

"Win the girl back and thwart that other dude she's with" is typically Hollywood's go-to. There's always a villain in a love triangle, and it's never the lead protagonist.

Here's hoping that is not the direction Guardians 3 intends to go with Warlock.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 14th 2019 at 12:22:18 PM

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#105132: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:23:22 AM

With Marvel at least it has avoided that trope as far as I recall

Scott becomes cool with Paxton and now they’re slightly awkward friends

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#105133: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:40:23 AM

I'm pretty sure that's gonna be Quill's arc tho, based on how he's acted in the past 4 movies. He's going to have to realize that the Gamora he fell in love with the original one, is not the same person as New Gamora. Even at the end of Endgame he's still following that assumption. She really had no reason to stay with the Go TG at that point, since they with the exception of Nebula were complete strangers to her. I think Peter getting over Gamora would be a crucial step in him finally growing out of being the man baby ppl complain he is. I don't rly like love triangles either but this is my educated guess on at least part of the plot

Edited by Xopher001 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:41:30 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105134: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:42:22 AM

[up][up]Most of the conflict between wasn't born out of jelously, but simply because Scott is an ex-con and Paxton a cop.

So that doesn't really count.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 14th 2019 at 3:42:49 PM

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#105135: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:48:55 AM

[up]Not to mention once Scott proved he was heroic the conflict completely vanished.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105136: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:01:21 PM

[up]If anything, Scott's problem with Paxton is that now the latter is overly affectioned.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#105137: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:03:15 PM

I agree that Quill has no choice but to accept that this new Gamora isn't the one he fell in love with.

Watching him suffer will be great, as he's continually rebuffed by her and then mocked by Thor.

Hopefully Rocket and Nebula beat him over the head with their own development and show they are better leaders.

If we're lucky, he'll lose everything and be forced to start over.

...which...will....be good for Character Development. Yes, character development.

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#105138: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:04:29 PM

> I agree that Quill has no choice but to accept that this new Gamora isn't the one he fell in love with.

but thats soo b o r i n g

lets have her memories magically return somehow - a writer somewhere

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#105139: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:06:11 PM

We need to find this writer and beat them down.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105140: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:09:55 PM

[up]Puts on therapist glasses

Okay, Rob, let us talk about this hatred you have over a nonexistent man.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#105141: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:28:20 PM

What?

Plenty of people on this thread have expressed irrational hatred for fictional characters for much much less.

Quill screwed up, badly. I admit, I know it's not fair to put it all on him, but I just can't look at him the same anymore. I don't know if I ever will.

The best I can do is want to see him be better and be fair about what he does right, like actually trying to kill old Gamora when she asked.

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#105142: Jul 14th 2019 at 12:35:34 PM

Granted, I should've probably potholed Joking Mode there, but I argue me playing the part of pop psychologist should've clued you in that I was kidding.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 14th 2019 at 4:35:47 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#105143: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:14:54 PM

...yeah, it probably should have.

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#105144: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:15:05 PM

I agree that Quill has no choice but to accept that this new Gamora isn't the one he fell in love with.

He does have another option: try to convince her that they were totes a couple, which she finds irritating in the first act. But then he does something noble in the third act and suddenly it clicks for her and they hook up.

Which would be obnoxious, but no more obnoxious than the original Gamora falling for his pelvic sorcery already was.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 14th 2019 at 2:15:32 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#105145: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:16:29 PM

What if she just breaks it instead?

His pelvis. That's also an option.

Of course, there's the possibility that even though she comes to perhaps understand why her other self fell for him, she herself does not.

I'm hoping for that as well as a substitute for the pelvis breaking. He still loses, and that's important.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105146: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:19:43 PM

Which would be obnoxious, but no more obnoxious than the original Gamora falling for his pelvic sorcery already was.
I mean, Gamora went through two movies without getting together with Quill — in fact, we don't know exactly when they got together, only that it was sometime before Infinity War — so I think that while Gamora will rejoin the team, she will still not get together with Quill.

There is also the fact that this is the third movie in a trilogy, which means that it doesn't have to end with the status quo returning — we could get an entirely different version of the Guardians by the end. Heck, that could also be a way around the "only three films" rule — three films of the Original Guardians and then switching over to the New Guardians or something.

(Although, to be fair, they already broke the "only trilogies" rule with four Avengers films.)

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#105147: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:25:15 PM

Also peter can be quite charming what he want to.

And avenger infinty war and endgame are two part of the same movie so I dont if that count or not.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105148: Jul 14th 2019 at 1:29:24 PM

And avenger infinty war and endgame are two part of the same movie so I dont if that count or not.
Infinity War and Endgame are two very different movies. They aren't one movie split in two, like Deathly Hallows was.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 14th 2019 at 4:59:54 AM

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#105150: Jul 14th 2019 at 2:27:43 PM

They’re essentially two halves of the same story. Neither is complete without the other. Without Endgame, IW is just a defeat, Without having seen IW, Endgame makes no sense. The connection between them is tighter than with a normal sequel.

It’s like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Watching just one of the movies doesn’t work. In contrast, you can watch, say, one of the new Chronicles of Narnia movies by itself and have it make sense as a coherent story.

Edited by Galadriel on Jul 14th 2019 at 5:28:13 AM


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