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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#105101: Jul 13th 2019 at 11:28:21 AM

Rhodey's still War Machine even though he's crippled from the waist down. I think Bruce will get a cool prosthetic arm or something.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105102: Jul 13th 2019 at 1:08:52 PM

Yeah all above, the whold civil war-infinity war and end game didnt really affect the team in members, specially since tony was to retire anyway.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#105103: Jul 13th 2019 at 1:23:14 PM

It did divide them which I think means it did ok without killing anyone

The death of Bill Foster in the comics was beyond gratuitous

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105104: Jul 13th 2019 at 2:10:47 PM

[up]I disagre, sure i divided but I dont feel it have a big impact in the end, a think and issue is that each movie bring a new status quo that the other movie wash away to bring another big change status so there is not room to breath.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#105105: Jul 13th 2019 at 5:29:28 PM

Tony Stark's Snappening words were originally going to be: "F*** off, Thanos".

"I am Iron Man" was a last minute reshoot.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#105106: Jul 13th 2019 at 5:36:17 PM

I remember theorizing how someone would get a hold of the Gauntlet and do a counter-Snap of sorts to bring everyone back to life. I was...partly right, I suppose.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105107: Jul 13th 2019 at 6:32:34 PM

[up][up] On one hand, "F***k off, Thanos" is what the audience was thinking after the purple fathead snapped half of everything away (including our boi Spider-Man).

On the other hand, "And I am Iron Man" has a nice book ends feel to it. Tony's superheroing really started the second he said "I am Iron Man" in Iron Man 1, so it's fitting to bring back those same words when he ends it all. Furthermore, saying that after Thanos' "I am inevitable" can also be seen as Tony basically saying "So what? I'm the guy that just outsmarted you."

So I guess I'm glad they went with the latter. grin

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#105108: Jul 13th 2019 at 6:48:42 PM

"F*ck off, Thanos," would have felt Narmy to me. As a Pre-Mortem One-Liner, it's super-lame. Not a great line to culminate ten years of storytelling. All it really has going for it is the monocle-popping presence of an F-bomb in a Disney movie, but that effect takes the audience out of the scene and makes them focus on the word "F*ck" instead of on what's happening. That's fine for a wacky joke, but this is one of the most important moments in Marvel cinematic history.

Like, I'm stunned that anyone ever thought that was a good idea. The fact that it was a last-minute change boggles the mind.

"I am Iron Man" works better on so many levels. It's Tony's answer to Infinity War's "I hope they remember you" Worthy Opponent speech. Instead of a lame Pre-Mortem One-Liner, Tony matches Thanos's Badass Boast, "I am inevitable," with a book-end paying homage to that shocking twist ending that started it all. This minimalist retort carries a profound effect; the implication between the boasts that "Iron Man > Inevitability" does more to build up Tony leading into his Snap than an awkward F-bomb ever could have.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 13th 2019 at 7:50:32 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#105109: Jul 13th 2019 at 6:55:54 PM

I'd describe it as having to do with cleverness here. I'd compare it to sword fighting in Monkey Island games, which parody movie sword fights that have a lot of dialogue by having the results of the fight determined solely through dialogue.

Let's say you're in a sword fight with an enemy pirate, and your opponent says one of the following: "I hope you have an escape boat ready", "You fight like a dairy farmer", or "I've never bled in battle before". The appropriate response would not be "fuck off". It would be, respectively "Why? Do you need one?", "How appropriate, you fight like a cow", and "You run that fast?"

"I am Iron Man" is the "How appropriate, you fight like a cow" response for this situation.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#105110: Jul 13th 2019 at 7:00:33 PM

Stark: "I am Iron Man. And iron is invincible. It never rusts or erodes."

thanos: "Actually-"

Stark: "Not after this!" *SNAP*

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 13th 2019 at 7:03:48 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105111: Jul 13th 2019 at 7:03:58 PM

Someone I knew always said that cursing was the sign of someone who didn’t have anything better to say. In most cases in writing, that’s kind of the point. Here, the greatest intellect on the planet would have a better Pre-Mortem One-Liner.

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#105112: Jul 13th 2019 at 7:08:29 PM

"I am inevitable" -sad thunk-
"Yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man"

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 13th 2019 at 10:08:40 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105113: Jul 13th 2019 at 7:57:21 PM

Tony Stark's Snappening words were originally going to be: "F*** off, Thanos".
No, it wasn't: originally, Tony Stark didn't say anything before snapping Thanos. But then later on, the directors realized that they needed him to say something and threw around various suggestions and eventually did reshoots to get the words "And I am Iron Man."

Edited by alliterator on Jul 13th 2019 at 7:57:39 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#105114: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:06:47 PM

I wonder if Marvel Studios had to have any talks with Black Sabbath's legal team before featuring that line so prominently in their movies.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#105115: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:12:03 PM

Into the Void would be cool to hear in one of the Guardians movies.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105116: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:15:07 PM

[up][up] I mean, Iron Man existed long before Black Sabbath wrote that song. So they probably didn't need to?

Edited by alliterator on Jul 13th 2019 at 8:15:33 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105117: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:17:22 PM

I AM IRON MAN

I AM IRON MAN

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 13th 2019 at 8:17:31 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105118: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:44:44 PM

It was actually the other way around. When Black Sabbath wrote the song they had to run by Marvel to make sure they wouldn't be sued by them, which they did so by making the lyrics clear in that he's not the same character as the Marvel hero. Which is why the song tells a entirely different story (it tells the story of a time-traveler who sees a future in ruins, goes back in time to stop it, but the process deforms him and gets ocstrasized from society for his deformities, leading to him causing said apocalypse as a revenge).

Ironically, despite the explicit differentiation between the song and character, the lyrics can still be interpreted to fit Iron Man (particularly his arc in the first film).

Edited by Gaon on Jul 13th 2019 at 8:45:19 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105119: Jul 14th 2019 at 5:18:52 AM

Also, they licensed the song for said first movie. I’m sure they were fine.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#105120: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:37:36 AM

Now imagine if Tony used the snap to make that song play from nothing while Thanos and his army dusted (or heck, play Dust in the wind tongue), only for the Avengers to find that the song will not stop and have to snap again to make the song go away evil grin

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#105121: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:52:00 AM

Good thing they did not decide to launch the f-bomb, that would have ruined the moment.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105122: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:54:04 AM

[up][up]What would be awesome is if Star Lord put up a radio that played "We're not gonna take it!" in the fight like in Ready Player One.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105123: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:58:26 AM

"I am Iron Man" is the "How appropriate, you fight like a cow" response for this situation.

That has got to be one of the rarest sentences I've ever heard. surprisedsurprisedsurprised

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105124: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:51:49 AM

[up]You should play the Monkey Island games, then, they're hilarious.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105125: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:54:38 AM

[up] No, I already know about Monkey Island. I just never thought of Iron Man's last words being compared to the underrated art of insult swordfighting.


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