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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#105051: Jul 12th 2019 at 1:58:28 PM

Turns out, talking to sea life is not so lame when you live in a fantasy world that includes a Cthuhlu-expy.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105052: Jul 12th 2019 at 1:59:02 PM

Aquaman has saved the DCCU alongside Wonder Woman & Shazam.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105053: Jul 12th 2019 at 1:59:21 PM

Another example: remember when Iron Man was "that jackass who became a facist in Civil War I"?

Now if only the Captain Marvel similarly fixes her reputation acquired from Civil War II, and I'll be happy.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jul 12th 2019 at 11:00:19 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105054: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:01:27 PM

[up]

Not only do I remember it, I remember it was literally happening around the same time that his movie was being made.

Iron Man flat out shut down a reputation he'd just gained in the comics. That's the power of film.

As for Carol, I'm sure her movies (barring the determined assholes who seem to have beef with Brie Larson) will do the same for her.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#105055: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:03:24 PM

A wrinkle is that the name Nadia means Hope

So there's actually three different Hopes.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#105056: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:03:54 PM

Well, on the non-"argle fargle mad at women" side of the Internet, Captain Marvel's movies have made her a goddess of gay to the fandom. [lol]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 12th 2019 at 2:04:54 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105057: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:04:31 PM

In fairness, Carol's bad reputation goes back to the first Civil War.

Not many are willing to forget the Julia incident anytime soon.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 12th 2019 at 6:05:32 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105058: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:08:59 PM

Joke here about the civil war of 1812

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#105059: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:12:12 PM

Hell, none of the people mad about MCU Captain Marvel are mad because of the comics, it's all focused on the movie and the actress.

Like Rob said, basically no character is unsalvageable by a good adaptation. Remember how the Guardians of the Galaxy were super-obscure C-Listers before the MCU made them into superstars? If they legit made a Guy Gardner Green Lantern movie, and it was good, Guy Gardner would become the most popular Green Lantern by far. It would be downright easy.

Hell, for the most recent example, Far From Home took Mysterio from a C-List, low B-List at best, Spider-Man baddie all the way up to A-List just on the power of how perfect his execution was.

The same can also happen in reverse. Super popular characters can have their reputations ruined by a mediocre or bad adaptation. Just as some examples, Aquaman was in the shit-hole until the recent movie just by the power of Super-Friends, and Whiplash and Red Skull went from some of the most iconic and notable Iron Man and Captain America villains to some of the most okay-ish and forgettable.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 12th 2019 at 2:13:47 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105060: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:15:48 PM

I will never forgive them for wasting the embodiment of pure evil in Marvel comics,like he just vanished at the end captain of america and then..winds up guarding one of the stones as a ghost

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 12th 2019 at 9:16:25 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105061: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:26:25 PM

Well, on the non-"argle fargle mad at women" side of the Internet, Captain Marvel's movies have made her a goddess of gay to the fandom. [lol]

... I'll take it^^ Anything that gives me a break from the Anti-SJW morons when I look up Carol Danvers on goggle.

Not many are willing to forget the Julia incident anytime soon.

Haven't heard of that one, what was it?

Hell, none of the people mad about MCU Captain Marvel are mad because of the comics, it's all focused on the movie and the actress.

Actually, there are some who already hated the character before due to not liking that Marvel had been pushing her as their front female character and "removing her feminity and sex appeal" (read: given her a costume that made it harder to fap on her). The movie and actress just added fuel to the fire of these people. Yes, really.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105062: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:29:54 PM

Hey. I loved her old costumes (the black bathing suit is the one I knew for years, and EMH gave me a new appreciation for her classic look), but sometimes you gotta go practical.

I mean, I'll miss Wonder woman's Star Spangled Bikinin too, but her latest suit makes so much damned sense it's kinda hilarious they never tried it before. Sometimes that's how it goes.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#105063: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:31:19 PM

Carol and Monica fiddling with her suit's colors and landing on the bright neon palette was one of the funniest things in the movie for me.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105064: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:34:43 PM

[up][up]Yeah, practical is best. Personally I much prefer her Captain Marvel costume.

[up]Yeah, that was hilarious^^ and cute.

Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Lurker Veteran
#105065: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:35:05 PM

So unsurprisingly, the MCU is getting its own panel at next week's Comic-Con. Updates about the Black Widow movie, The Eternals and the next Avengers are a given, but I wouldn't be surprised if they revealed the entire roadmap for Phase 4 as well. This could allow us to finally learn the names of the Doctor Strange / Black Panther / Captain Marvel sequels, all of which are in developpment. Maybe even news about what they intend to do with the X-men and the Fantastic Four !

Aside from what I just said, any perticular expectations among you?

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#105066: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:46:07 PM

I will never forgive them for wasting the embodiment of pure evil in Marvel comics,like he just vanished at the end captain of america and then..winds up guarding one of the stones as a ghost

Eh. It's the best a guy teleported randomly into space 70 years ago could reasonably hope for in a second appearance.

Like. It already stretches credibility that the Space Gem randomly teleported his ass to the precise location of the Soul Gem. When entering an uncontrolled warp to anywhere in the entire f*cking universe, the odds of not instantly dying are so infinitesimally small as to basically be nonexistent.

But fiction is built on million-to-one chances like that so whatevs. The other problem is that he was like 40 years old in 1942. It is presently 2008-2017.

It's one thing to suspend disbelief that he didn't die gasping for air in an empty vacuum, which makes up an astronomically overwhelming majority of all space in the universe.

It's another thing to suspend disbelief that not only did he not die gasping for air in an empty vacuum, but that he also managed to not only survive but thrive in a place like the Kree Empire or K.N.O.W.H.E.R.E.

But any serious return for the Red Skull as a villain requires him to a) not die gasping for air in the vacuum of space, b) somehow thrive in a place like the Kree Empire, AND c) discover a means by which to have never grown old and died in the last seven decades. Any one of those things is not unreasonable, but put them together and that is an awful lot of cumulative bullshit.

Much easier to just use other villains.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#105067: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:47:29 PM

[up][up] MCU!Spider-Man 3.

If you've see the mid-credits stinger for Far From Home, you'd know why.

Simply put, it's one of those things that makes you go: "Hey, whoa, wait a minute, what happens next?! Come on, let's see the next episode!"

And maybe something about Deadpool. Not sure if it's still too early to bring that up or what, but...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 12th 2019 at 5:48:24 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105068: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:51:06 PM

[up][up]That and most simple, Cap in MCU already stop being a wartime hero, sure there is nod every now and them but from most part is focus because: a sort of thriller chararter(winter assult) to conflicted moral leader(Civil war) Red skull was more a nod than everything else.

Also I will said that Ultron wasnt afected that much by the movie, isnt?.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#105069: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:58:02 PM

I think it's pretty obvious that Red Skull winding up on Vormir was not random. The Stones presumably reach out to each other on some level.

Space Stone: Bruh, some red Nazi asshole just fucking touched me.
Soul Stone: Got you covered, fam. Send him my way, I could use maid service.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jul 12th 2019 at 5:59:04 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105070: Jul 12th 2019 at 3:01:55 PM

@Theokal: Basically, Carol beat up a character called Julia (Carpenter, I think?) one of the Spider-Women in front of her kid in order to enforce the Superhuman Registration Act.

Personally, that never bothered me that much because being a bit too self-righteous for her own good is a established character flaw of Carol, but considering the bullshit the anti-reg side pulled during the main storyline, her reputation was already a bit in the dumps, as was everyone else who sided with Iron Man.

And I do like the old suit, but as Kamala Khan pointed out (paraphrasing): "The boots hurt, the hair keeps getting in my face, and this suit is giving me an epic wedgie".

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 12th 2019 at 7:03:35 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105071: Jul 12th 2019 at 3:04:04 PM

[up][up]More or less.

Him ending up on Vormir, with reach of the Soul Stone, but completely incapable of touching it due to his very nature as an uncaring asshole was clearly a punishment.

That he had to guard it for all eternity was the extra slap to the face.

Basically, Carol beat up a character called Julia (Carpenter, I think?) one of the Spider-Women in front of her kid in order to enforce the Superhuman Registration Act.

Oh yeah. That. Man, comics is really bad about throwing characters under the bus to get the story they want.

And I do like the old suit, but as Kamala Khan pointed out (paraphrasing): "The boots hurt, the hair keeps getting in my face, and this suit is giving me an epic wedgie".

Meh, I say it's worth it. But mainly because she's fictional and can't kick my ass.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 12th 2019 at 4:06:17 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105072: Jul 12th 2019 at 3:06:02 PM

@Coobalt: I don't have any particular expectation, but I do look forward to seeing this, because I legit have no idea what to expect. Endgame has managed to make me excited to see what's next for the MCU, which I really didn't expect. And I love it.

@Hail Muffin: Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining^^

Edited by Theokal3 on Jul 12th 2019 at 12:08:54 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#105073: Jul 12th 2019 at 5:45:28 PM

I'd like a movie where the true Mandarin shows himself and it's up to Pepper to kick his ass. That's right, Rescue.

The legend has returned.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#105074: Jul 12th 2019 at 5:50:19 PM

I absolutely want to see more Rescue. Her suit and its accompanying laser array was amazing in Endgame.

Far From Home spoilers: And she would've been way more responsible with EDITH.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105075: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:28:14 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if The Real Mandarin is the Big Bad of the Shang Chi movie.


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