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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#105001: Jul 11th 2019 at 3:12:59 PM

So, I'm going to start Jessica Jones, first season.

Is it really that good?

It cures cancer.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 11th 2019 at 4:13:15 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#105002: Jul 11th 2019 at 3:14:25 PM

no thats Inhumans you dolt

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#105004: Jul 11th 2019 at 3:41:48 PM

field leader....hard to said because the avenger werent really regimented as team, more a lose circle of hero who were friend(...kind off) and Tony and Cap were the more influencial of them but leader? naaaaah.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#105005: Jul 11th 2019 at 3:44:42 PM

Jessica Jones is good yeah.

You watch any of the other Netflix shows?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#105006: Jul 11th 2019 at 3:47:45 PM

It's thought provoking and well-written but slow as shit and the plot makes some questionable turns at the end.

Biggest victim of Arc Fatigue amongst the Netflix series as far as I have watched, but I did powered through just to have more of Jessica's fantastically dry wit and sarcasm and Snuffcarcass' constant slinding back and forth from Laughably Evil to Complete Monster without ever pausing for breath.

So it's at the very least worth a look is what I'm saying.

wintersnoozer Rainmaker from Chicago Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: I know
Rainmaker
#105007: Jul 11th 2019 at 5:25:01 PM

So whats the likelihood that Phase 4 will include an adaptation of Annihilation? Especially now with the inclusion of the F4?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105008: Jul 11th 2019 at 5:50:16 PM

I dunno if we’ll get it in Phase Four, but we’re definitely getting Annihilation at some point.

An epic universal level threat conceivably connected to several characters while also allowing them to repeat the same “heroes vs paper army” climax they’ve stuck with since the beginning? Chances are high.

wintersnoozer Rainmaker from Chicago Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: I know
Rainmaker
#105009: Jul 11th 2019 at 5:53:32 PM

Curious to see how'd they adapt it. While we have a Nova Corps theyre seemingly different from the Green Lanternesque heroes they normally are.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105010: Jul 11th 2019 at 5:55:36 PM

We could always see the Nova Corps grow in ambition in the post “our old ways got fucked up by Thanos thrice” world.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105011: Jul 11th 2019 at 6:02:27 PM

Richard Rider's origin as Nova involves the wiping out of Xandar's Nova Corps after it is annihilated by the pirate Zorr and Rhomann Dey picking a successor. You could basically follow the same premise but with Thanos's attack in place of Zorr.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105012: Jul 11th 2019 at 6:08:48 PM

Of course, then Annihilation also involves the Nova Corps being wiped out by the Annihilation Wave. So the Nova Corps really don't have the best luck.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105013: Jul 11th 2019 at 6:10:40 PM

Now I’m imagining a scenario where a Nova movie comes out before Green Lantern.

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#105014: Jul 11th 2019 at 7:07:50 PM

Jessica Jones Season 1 is good, but there's a stretch of episodes about two thirds through where it's pretty clear that the writers are stalling to pad the season out to thirteen episodes.

Season 2 was boring. I haven't seen Season 3.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#105015: Jul 11th 2019 at 7:21:35 PM

Much like Daredevil's, Season 3 is a return to form.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#105016: Jul 11th 2019 at 7:53:18 PM

[up][up][up]Wasn't there already a "Green Lantern" movie? It exists.

Or were there pills I never got?

Jessica Jones is good yeah.

You watch any of the other Netflix shows?

Yes. However, I never finished a single one. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and maybe the first episode and a little of the second from a crossover, are the only I saw.

And I never got really far in any of them.

Anyway, episode one, episode done! No, this will not become a lame attempt at a running gag, why do you ask?

...O.K. I am hooked.

While I will not say "It cures cancer" because I have only begun, it's curing the funk I was in. I actually started watching today because of a bad experience on a forum (not this one, I assure you, and I will name no names) and I wanted to, you know. See sexism and misogyny be seen as, you know. Bad. Reprehensible. Indefensible.

And, yep, it's curing my funk ways away. Man, what a shot in the arm. grin

Also, I was bored rewatching Nobuyuki anime again and again on Crunchyroll.

A. You know, our protagonist is getting in my good graces. Not only with her snappy comebacks ("you use snark to distance yourself." "Yet you're still here"), she's also...how will I put it?

When she learns that Kilgrave, a man who apparently has used her as he used Hope, her first reaction is nothing short of an actual panic attack, from her running from the restaurant to her trying to get to Hong Kong. At first, I thought she was using Hope's card so she could get Hope into Hong Kong, as far away as from Kilgrave as possible. However, no. She's the one trying to escape Kilgrave.

Her scene with trish later makes it clear how much she's been scarred by Kilgrave. She is terrified of him. Her recitation whenever she gets flashbacks of Kilgrave is actually a way to manage her post-traumatic stress disorder. She can't even be on the same continent as him.

However, as she's taking a cab to the airport, she imagines Hope's parents tearfully asking for their daughter. Next scene, she's back at the hotel where Kilgrave took her.

Because no matter how bone-deep her fear of Kilgrave is, she's not the sort of person to let an innocent girl become one of his victims as she was. Even when Hope's compelled to shoot her parents while actually triggering jessica with a command of "smile", jessica goes back to the hotel.

She can either run away from it or she can fight it. She chooses to fight.

B. So, who's Malcolm? And how did she get super strength?

C. So. Hope is now in a awkward situation. I mean, she was under mental compulsion to shoot her parents. Proving that is going to be onerous. Only real way it seems is to locate Kilgrave, who orchestrated everything so jessica would have to. And might be a zombie.

Is Kilgrave (or "the purple man" because he kept making everything purple and he had no name, why is everything purple around him) a zombie? Or a lich? Are lichs zombies in a way?

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 11th 2019 at 7:57:31 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#105017: Jul 11th 2019 at 7:54:11 PM

The Purple Man in the comics was literally purple. It's how he got the name XD

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#105018: Jul 11th 2019 at 8:01:32 PM

Malcolm was a fanboy of Jessica in the comics who eventually worked for her. Here, he's a junkie living in her apartment complex. And Jessica's powers are explained more in Season 2.

Kilgrave's not a zombie. His powers are more, uh, sci-fi than fantasy.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Coobalt-Dahonli-One Lurker Veteran from Meet me there, but only when I'm late Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#105019: Jul 11th 2019 at 8:25:27 PM

(I've caught up on the many posts that spawned while I was gone)

To those who believe DOOM should be an arc vilain for the MCU; does it means you'd be against him getting a solo movie? (and I'm talking about this guy's project) Or is it possible for both ideas to co-exist?

I won't speak as a comic book geek ('cause I'm far from being one), but I always thought DOOM, for a change, could work better as a mix between a Noble Demon and a Wild Card. Just as you never see his real face under the mask, his actions would make him difficult to pinpoint as either good or evil. Have him work alongside the heroes when their interests aligns, but only so he can reap the aftermath's benefits for himself.

Or those who like him better as a straight-up villain, have him hijack the initial villain's MacGuffin for his own world domination plan. It wouldn't be the first time he did such a thing, after all.

Edited by Coobalt-Dahonli-One on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:28:32 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#105020: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:06:13 AM

There's no reason he can't both be the Big Bad quintessential supervillain everybody loves him as and the complex Noble Demon everyone also loves him as. The comics have, after all, been mixing both for years, and just like there the only limitation is getting a writer who actually knows what they're doing.

Him getting a solo movie, likewise, wouldn't be a bad idea with him as the Big Bad. I remember after both Infinity War and Endgame a common response to Thanos was that he would've been far better / even better (depending on who you asked) if he'd had his own movie giving him background.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105021: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:09:09 AM

I actually rather like the characterization of Doom being a petty asshole who wastes his own potential due to his asinine grudge against Reed.

Not to the point of him being a skin wearing creep, of course. That storyline was just...bad.

Edited by M84 on Jul 12th 2019 at 5:09:30 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#105022: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:10:33 AM

How petty would you describe someone where after remaking the universe & installing them-self as God-King that they would make the wife and kids of his most hated rival his own wife & kids? tongue

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#105023: Jul 12th 2019 at 2:12:16 AM

[up]Don't forget that the very end of that event has him once again ranting and raving about his grudge with Reed. Though it did at least end with him finally admitting Reed is smarter than him...right before trying to throttle him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#105024: Jul 12th 2019 at 4:47:13 AM

I think my problem with them potentially writing Doom as a noble demon wild card is that I don't want him to end up like Loki. Where he functionally becomes basically an ally who's kind of a dick about it. Like, I'd want him to legit switch from being an ally to being a film's big bad depending on the situation.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 12th 2019 at 11:49:05 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#105025: Jul 12th 2019 at 4:50:18 AM

I will never understand how so many writers and fans fail to see Doom as nothing more than the egotistical man child he is. The guy's origin is that when his experiment literally blew up in his face he blamed the guy who tried to warn him rather than accept his idiocy.


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