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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
No, they just knew that she served her master faithfully, was raised in isolation by said master, and had never actually met other people and engaged in personal communication with them before.
So many things that could be.
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If you think that’s the conversation or that this will stop it, get ready for a swerve.
It’s not a high bar to not act as though they have no problems with slavery. Private conversations where they mention “she’s a slave” in a uncomfortable tone or their general unease about it could solve that problem.
Nobody here has been saying that they should free every slave everywhere. Simply acting as though they feel it’s wrong is not a high bar!
Where is the idea where being a scumbag means being OK with slavery coming from?
Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 10th 2019 at 5:11:42 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
It does not-
It being a thing-
Because it is legal does not mean they should not act as though it is wrong! We had abolitionists when slavery was super common!
What?
Acting as though slavery is wrong is a super low standard. Why is that not a problem for our heroes and protagonists to not accept?
I mean Quill, as he puts it, is not a complete prick. How is not acting as though it’s wrong to have Mantis as a slave not being a complete prick?
Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 10th 2019 at 5:37:15 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.- Several people in this thread have already pointed out that, before the twist, Mantis came across as more of a "kooky manservant" or "surrogate daughter" than "slave."
- You are also judging her actions from a human perspective. Guess what Mantis isn't? Human. None of the Guardians know what species she is nor if this behavior is normal or not and, hey, Ego was their host, so best to just go along with it.
- Quill and Gamora were also distracted by other things, including the fact that Quill just met his real father.
- And a lot of the things that clue people in to Mantis being a slave were told directly and only to Drax. And Drax? Is dumb.
Edited by alliterator on Jul 10th 2019 at 5:48:11 AM
John Wick franchise writer Derek Kolstad is joining the writing team for Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Just a thing here: Aliterator is kinda sort of right when he said guardian arent superheroes, they are in the sense of having a alias or alter ego(in this case star lord) and doing incredible feats while saving something, in this case the galaxy.
But as general he is a criminal in a lawless world and those state that usually other bad stuff happen, the guardian not buy slave or engage in slavery but as kinda world they are moving, they dont stop it because is far for their control as we show in the first movie.
Also this is really a doylist complain than a watsonian one tobias, you are more annoyed by expection of what superheroic should be than anything else.
Anyway, for some reason I can see Bucky as john wick sort of chararter, it does really suit him.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Birth.Movies.Death is reporting that Millie Bobby Brown is joining The Eternals.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess she's playing a gender-swapped Sprite
, considering he's an Eternal who eternally looks thirteen.
Oh, it's completely a Doylist criticism. Most of my criticisms are. Characters just say the words their writers put in their mouths and do the things their writer makes them do; there's no point criticizing a character for inappropriate writing decisions. It's not Gamora's fault, for instance, that Gunn relegated her to love interest for most of her role.
Which is why it freaks me out to hear people defending the idea that a superhero film's protagonists should condone slavery. This has been a very uncomfortable and disturbingly eye-opening topic regarding society's positions towards slavery. Hell, at one point it even diverged into straight-up apologia towards the real-world existence of slavery.
Like. What the actual f*ck?
The creative team made the choice to present Mantis as a slave and then never talk about it. Like, I'm still not buying into this idea that the Guardians are canonically accepting of slavery. That's gross and evil, and not in a funny "It's cool if I steal things, right? Wink wink I'm so wacky!" sort of way. I 100% reject this interpretation of the characters as actually being intentionally pro-slavery, and it freaks me out that anyone would even suggest it.
No, I maintain that Mantis's handling is a failure on the part of the film's creative team to properly examine the gross dynamic that the character was written into. James Gunn had an idea for how to introduce a popular Guardians character that I'm sure sounded really good to a person who's never really handled the women in his films well, and then never thought twice about it.
Mantis's handling in the film is disgusting. This discussion of it, however, has managed to be significantly more disgusting. I'm torn between regretting bringing it up and feeling like the ideas expressed today are precisely why it's important to bring it up.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 7:57:08 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And you still haven't accepted the fact that the Guardians didn't see Mantis as a slave until it was already too late.
Boy, you should never read any Conan the Barbarian or Red Sonja stories or any fantasy stories set in worlds where slavery exists.
Edited by alliterator on Jul 10th 2019 at 7:01:12 AM
I advocate against slavery. If someone I knew had slaves, I would try to do something about that. I don't personally know very many people for whom this is not true, even among the more conservative members of my family. And it bothers me that you apparently do.
If we cannot agree on a baseline of "Slavery is an uber-bad thing that no decent person would ever condone", then I really don't think there is anything more to discuss here.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 8:06:20 AM
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Edited by alliterator on Jul 10th 2019 at 7:16:57 AM
Moving along, I haven't seen the John Wick films so I can't say much about this new writer, but I've heard good things. Basically "Keanu Reeves plays the Punisher", right?
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take the good part of the punisher and leave is creepy uber super pseudo facism aside and oy kinda more of less have it.
Also is Keanu making good acting, that means less taking and more doing(I dont want to sound bad is just for me he is like clint eastwood, the few word he speak, the better).
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

If that country consists of one guy.
And the guy's my dad.
And he has a slave.
I'd try and do something about that. Wouldn't you?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 6:01:05 AM
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