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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The Toxic Masculinity is precisely the product of being raised by Yondu. Who hides his concern behind being as Toxic Masculine as possible.
Like he said "Feed you to the crew" as a "Joke" but Peter as a kid expected he would be fed to the crew and with the Toxic Men that makes up most of the crew most of them likely believed he would too until they realized Peters his fav. A guy literally named Tazerface was so ridiculous in how hyper masculine it is no one outside the crew could take it seriously.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 10th 2019 at 1:28:48 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Really? I was skeeved out by Mantis's relationship with Ego from the moment she called him, "My MASTER".
There aren't a lot of things that can mean. And it happens on the ship headed towards the Living Planet, just after we've met her.
One of the weirdest things about Guardians 2 is how everyone, every single member of the Guardians of the Galaxy, is 100% cool with Mantis's slavery. The only person even remotely bothered is Gamora, and that has nothing to do with her relationship with Ego; she just instantly despises Mantis on sight for no reason.
That ever-present toxic rule of patriarchal writing rearing its ugly head again: the Law of Women Be Catty Bitches.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 3:32:06 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I had figured she was his valet (i.e she calls him Master the same way Alfred calls Batman "Master Bruce"), not his slave, but that may say more about society's normalizing of servitude relationships than anything.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."> One of the weirdest things about Guardians 2 is how everyone, every single member of the Guardians of the Galaxy, is 100% cool with Mantis's slavery. The only person even remotely bothered is Gamora, and that has nothing to do with her relationship with Ego; she just instantly despises Mantis on sight for no reason.
Thats a load of bullshit,they didn't know and neither did we
have a listen and have a link to my discord server"I was raised alone on Ego’s planet. I do not understand the intricacies of social interaction."
"No one has ever asked me a personal question."
"I mostly use it to help my master sleep."
Like. I can't be the only person who got GIANT GLOWING RED FLAGS from these sort of comments, can I?
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You can easily assume he's a very rich man going by his distinct personal ship & having an entire planet to himself.
So there is logic in believing Mantis is just a personal servant to this eccentric old man.
There is a lot of variety in how people work in space.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 10th 2019 at 2:36:05 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."So there is logic in believing Mantis is just a personal servant to this eccentric old man.
There is a lot of variety in how people work in space.
A personal servant raised from birth by her explicitly-labeled master in complete isolation from all forms of society, and who has never once in her life been engaged on a personal level by said master.
See. We have a word for that.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yes?
Expressing moral outrage or even whispering among themselves “Wait, what? He keeps a slave?” is not a high bar.
I mean, they already will suspect he ain’t what he says. “Having a slave” can contribute to that.
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.Mantis only shares the tidbit about being raised alone by Ego when she's chatting with Drax somewhere along the late second act, which is where I (and I'd wager the audience) started to catch things were off, by which point the film itself is already starting to show its cards with Ego not being as benevolent as he seems. Drax does ignore this information ("so you're a pet?"), but then again he is Drax (he also seems to interpret her as a vaguely daughter figure in the same scene, so he might have figured Ego is her father figure).
Beforehand she was only very socially awkward and vaguely alluded to this with "No one's ever asked me a personal question before", which is both very brief and could be seen as simply a result of her chronic shyness.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."All of those quotes I pulled are from the first, like, ten minutes of the film.
That one in particular is from the campfire chat when Ego first arrives, right before she asks if she can pet Drax's "puppy", Rocket. She's pretty blatantly a slave right from the get-go. It's weird that the film never directly talks about it.
Indeed, the film actually compounds it by piling heaps of abuse on top of her. While Quill's pointedly ignoring that his father keeps slaves, Gamora and Drax are downright mean to her at every opportunity. She's introduced wearing a verbal slave collar and then, rather than reaching out to her or asking some pointed questions of her master, the Guardians settle for kicking her over and over again.
What the f*ck, movie?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 4:22:55 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.We don’t need the characters to say slavery is wrong
Edited by shackwave on Jul 10th 2019 at 11:28:21 AM
Tobias: actually for me that is the catch that make me care about ego, having him "we need to stop him because he is evil" is reducing the guardian to standar superhero and make ego more generely evil, I mean hell I find is plan stupid and quick silly that is impact just kinda went and go "And here we have a huge wave of blue energy, oh it stop..probably tony start doing something weird, more new at eleven"
compare to that, nothing can be the used of the chain is awsome.
Also for all your fixation of mantis and guardian dismisal, the guardian didnt see anything wrong with the maid servants of the collector, even when one of them touch the damn stone and blow herself up.
They are used to it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"If some people in this very thread somehow missed the fact that she's even a slave, then apparently we do.
There is a lot to like about Guardians 2. Nebula and Gamora's relationship is phenomenal. Rocket and Yondu are great. Ego overplayed the villainy a bit but he's still a really great villain.
But Jesus, there is so much that's f*cked up about their treatment of Mantis.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 10th 2019 at 4:33:30 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, Tobias, you are assuming that the clues that were obvious to you were obvious to everyone. As you can see, that's not the case.
As well, it's already been explained that a lot of what she says about Ego raising her was to Drax, who isn't well known for his tact or even sharing of information. And he assumed she was a pet, not a slave.
Slavery is also apparently legal in large parts of the galaxy. Remember: Yondu stated that his own parents sold him into slavery to the Kree.

Gamora had the whole "this is too good to be true" feeling, but only learning about the dead kids later on, once Peter was already in the thrall of Ego. And Mantis, well, nobody ever mentions "slave" and lots of races have weird practices, so everyone might have simply thought that she was being weird.
But remember also that Ego is specifically doing something to Peter — opening his senses, making him more susceptible to Ego's will probably — and the only that the pulls him out of that is hearing that Ego killed his mom.