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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104801: Jul 9th 2019 at 11:41:02 AM

[up][up][up]Reminds me of the Guy Fieri swimsuit, with his beard conveniently over the groin.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#104802: Jul 9th 2019 at 12:49:26 PM

"I'm pretty sure Zemo appears less than Vanko, yet accomplishes far more with what is essentially the same basic concept."

Did it? I mean by the time he land in siberia the avenger were pretty much down by the airport battle, with only Cap and Tony as the last standing avengers, it feel Zemo only finish them up, but far from taking down the team.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104803: Jul 9th 2019 at 1:41:44 PM

Yeah. As nice as Zemo's shining moment was, the Avengers themselves did most of the work.

At best you have to wonder if his research of them told him that things would go the way they would, and he just created an environment where it could come to the surface?

In fact, the timing of his attack may have also played a role in things.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#104804: Jul 9th 2019 at 1:51:15 PM

I presume Zemo mainly intended on simply ratcheting up tension in the group and hoping/expecting them to fall apart eventually. The actual timing and other events that helped were merely fortuitous.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104805: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:05:08 PM

Zemo's a Death Seeker at that point, I feel he didn't particularly care if his plan worked or not, what with him trying to kill himself before the brawl between Bucky, Cap and Tony was even over.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104806: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:10:09 PM

Zemo may not have gotten them to kill each other, but he did create a rift between the Avengers so big that Tony attributed Thanos’s victory to it (by there being only a handful of supers to stop Maw from capturing Strange.)

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104807: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:21:27 PM

You can also attribute Tony's choice to not return to Earth to it. If he'd done that, instead of trying to take the fight to Thanos, he'd have been there at the Battle of Wakanda maybe.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#104808: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:23:10 PM

I wonder if Zemo got Snapped. If not, it could have been a interesting thing to see him behind bars basically relishing the fact the Avengers failed at the biggest stage possible.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#104809: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:26:13 PM

Either way the divided Avengers team didn't help matters at all, and even IF Tony was at the battle in Wakanda by not following Strange to Titan, the fight was turned to Thanos' favor by having the Time Stone, allowing to undo Wanda's actions and getting the Mind Stone thusly winning the battle.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104810: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:27:41 PM

[up][up]It's not really clear, but we do know he wouldn't care much. Zemo really has nothing but his revenge, and he's already proven that innocent lives that suffer because of his actions are meaningless to him (outside of minor guilt over T'chaka's death).

Nothing is gonna change that.

Speaking of, I understand he's apparently going to be in Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Do we know his role? I haven't really been keeping track of that stuff.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 9th 2019 at 3:28:30 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104811: Jul 9th 2019 at 2:54:37 PM

Speaking of, I understand he's apparently going to be in Falcon And The Winter Soldier. Do we know his role? I haven't really been keeping track of that stuff.
We know Zemo is going to be in the show, but we don't know in what capacity. Considering the last time we saw him, he was in UN prison, I think either he's going to escape or we're going to get some Hannibal-style scenes of him. And then, if all goes to plan, that will lead into a Thunderbolts movie.

...Yes, I'm optimistic, dammit.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104812: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:01:35 PM

Thunderbolts starring Ghost, Vulture, Abomination, newcomer Songbird, and Zemo.

Please and thank you.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104813: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:04:33 PM

Ghost and Abomination are likely,Zeemo if your lucky.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104814: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:06:19 PM

I'd add a few more, like Beetle and Moonstone. Although I'd also take away the Abomination, since I didn't like him in Incredible Hulk anyway.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 9th 2019 at 3:06:54 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104815: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:09:21 PM

I wonder what’s happened to Ghost, considering if she didn’t get Snapped, then five years passed without her likely getting access to any quantum healing particles. Granted, she survived for a decade without them, but thinking anyone who knew how to help her is dead couldn’t have been great.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104816: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:09:31 PM

Most people didn't like Hulk in The Incredible Hulk, too. tongue

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104817: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:12:01 PM

I did.

...what? I like The Incredible Hulk and I shall defend it to death!

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104818: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:14:16 PM

but do you care about Antman?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104819: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:15:47 PM

Well Antman's an objectively better movie so yes. tongue

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104820: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:25:19 PM

nobody cares about antman!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104821: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:31:38 PM

I care.

Antman saved the entire damn universe.

You better respect the Antman!

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104822: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:32:08 PM

he's just a..a bug!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104823: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:33:40 PM

That bug can kick you ass...and if the obsession of millions of people on the internet is anything to go on, crawl up your ass and explode you from the inside.

....man, I'm glad we're done with that meme.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104824: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:35:01 PM

A bullet ant can lift over 200 times its own weight & its bite is like getting shot.

Imagine that proportioned to human capabilities.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#104825: Jul 9th 2019 at 3:36:11 PM

[up]That's why you better respect the Antman!

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