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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104601: Jul 4th 2019 at 2:40:11 PM

You could make Doom into someone who fundamentally wants to make his country better for his people, but is plagued by a Superiority Inferiority Complex that demands him to be the one unquestionably in charge.

Tipical Tragic Villain fair: someone destined for greatness that is constantly undermined by a character flaw he can't get rid off.

ThuggishThanos92 from Planet Hala Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#104602: Jul 4th 2019 at 3:00:59 PM

Should the Kree be Always Chaotic Evil cardboards?

In general, some were disappointed the Captain Marvel film largely did not explore the Kree society or make them more sympathetic than Always Chaotic Evil space fascists, since in the comics they have frequentely helped heroes like Nova and the Avengers in the storylines Annihilation (2006) and Infinity (2013) and they have cool giant robots and heroic characters like Noh-Varr, Ko-Rel, Bean and the Priests of Pama. Though, at least Wendy Lawson/Mar-vell was a purely heroic Kree. I mean, they turned the Skrulls into teddy bears just to make the Kree more hateful for Odin's sake.

We need a Star Trek VI like scenario where the Kree after the Snap are put in the position of needing to make peace wih the rest of the galaxy in order to survive with Carol having to re-evaluate her angry views on them in order to protect the peace.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#104603: Jul 4th 2019 at 3:19:13 PM

I don't think we need more "good" Kree so much as more dimensionality to their evil.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104604: Jul 4th 2019 at 3:20:08 PM

Complexity as they say.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#104605: Jul 4th 2019 at 3:35:50 PM

The thing is that in the comics even though the Kree are enormous dicks they're still treated more sympathetically than the Skrulls, probably because the Skrulls are space lizard people.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#104606: Jul 4th 2019 at 4:57:21 PM

[up]Which is weird when I saw capitan marvel, granted talos is hilarious and for me it was the start of the film.

"there was literally no point in the entire movie where I felt Loki was even remotelly a threat at all."

Realy? I feel the first part with the helicarrier was good and he turn the avengers against themselves, the climax on other hand barely have loki as one the chitauri show up he pretty much vanish unil he is krump by hulk.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104607: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:06:55 PM

[up][up]I guess Beauty Equals Goodness also applies to hostile alien races.

[up]Loki is a non-action Big Bad, is good at manipulating, but you can not expect a final super battle against him.

That is, a guy who has problems to beat a super soldier, obviously will not be a rival to Hulk or Thor.


Speaking of Kraven's issue (two pages ago), there is no credible way to pose a threat to Spiderman, especially after what he did in the new movie.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:16:29 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#104608: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:19:56 PM

Another way to make Doom work is to make him Laughably Evil, but in a more dangerous Beware the Silly Ones sense.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104609: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:24:03 PM

[up][up] Drugs or genetic tampering.

There.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104610: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:26:58 PM

[up]By this point, Peter must already be much stronger than a super soldier or suitless Black Panther, so I do not think he's a very big threat, even with that.

Anyway, in the third movie they can make Peter again a Jobber and thus Kraven will be able to give him problems.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:29:11 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104611: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:29:17 PM

Have Peter substain a serious injury before Kraven shows up,and when he does the movie is about Peter running and hiding from his pursuer

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104612: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:29:33 PM

And?

Like seriously so Pete's strong, so what?

If they use Kraven they'll come up with whatever excuse to make him a Worthy Opponent in-universe whether it be physically augmenting himself, using dirty tactics, or just straight up poisoning Pete himself.

[up] There's also that.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:30:38 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104613: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:30:55 PM

Or just make Peter go back to being incompetent and that forget everything he learned in this movie.

Similar to CW Flash that for the fifth season has already beat Zoom, Reverse Flash and Savitar, but still has problems to beat normal humans.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:32:00 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104614: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:32:28 PM

So either bad-writing or good-writing.

Hmmmh normal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104615: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:34:38 PM

That idea was already used in the first movie.

It's hard for me to believe that the guy who managed to fight Bucky and Falcon at the same time, has problems to beat the Vulture and the Shocker.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#104616: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:35:23 PM

So I saw Spider-Man: Far From Home and it really played me like a goddamned fiddle with those last 2 scenes.

Now I REALLY need to know what's coming next. Do we know if Marvel will talk about Phase 4 at SDCC or D23?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 4th 2019 at 8:35:40 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104617: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:37:21 PM

[up][up] Its been stated before that Cap & Bucky were going easy on the kid.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:38:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104618: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:38:20 PM

[up]I never mention the Cap, I mentioned Falcon.

Even if they were holding back, they are still way above those guys like Shocker or the vulture.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:44:32 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104619: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:39:48 PM

You say that like fighting Falcon's particularly hard. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#104620: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:40:21 PM

As I recall Peter never had trouble with the Shocker unless he’s taken by surprise

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104621: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:43:15 PM

so he has a shock so to speak?

badum tish

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104622: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:44:01 PM

[up][up][up]Falcon is far from being super-powerful, but he's practically the same as the vulture.

Civil War Peter > Falcon = Vulture >> Homecoming Spiderman.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:44:49 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104623: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:45:30 PM

Ummm Vulture & Falcon aren't actually the same especially since Vulture has a big-ass VTOL harness giving him protection compared to Falcon's relatively tiny wing-suit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#104624: Jul 4th 2019 at 5:45:52 PM

Falcon has rather a lot more advanced weaponry than Vulture. You definitely wouldn’t see Vulture capable of taking on Thanos’ armies.

Though this all just feeds into the idea, which we probably shouldn’t anyway. Rigid adherence to a needless concept of power levels is a poor idea that isn’t going to do the MCU universe any favors.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:47:05 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#104625: Jul 4th 2019 at 7:19:20 PM

Kraven has been finding ways to juice himself up with herbs to match Spider-Man for his entire character's history. Come on, now, this skepticism is a tad silly.

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