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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I actually really liked Ultron, but the climax is the most baffling thing I've ever seen.
The movie takes away nearly every single thing that was granting Ultron his competence, and replaces it with nothing. He was building an ultra powerful body for himself, his ultimate form, and he had the twins enacting his schemes, and the script turns BOTH of those against him.
Kaze ni Nare!How is it baffling?
This sort of thing — Ultron's schemes backfiring on him — is entirely in character and consistent with his comics portrayal.
Ultron's problem is that he's incredibly immature. This leads him to always make mistakes that cost him victory.
And let's not forget that in the MCU he's based on Tony Stark instead of Hank Pym. And Tony Stark has a way of messing up.
Why do you insist on villains being uber competent and unstoppable from beginning to end?
Edited by M84 on Jul 4th 2019 at 9:57:01 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedUltron, whether he's based on Hank Pym or Tony Stark, is basically a version of his creator sans whatever maturity or morality they might possess.
Comics Ultron for example is basically Hank Pym but without any of the moral restraints keeping him from acting on his misanthropy.
Edited by M84 on Jul 4th 2019 at 10:27:08 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedMy problem with Ultron specifically is that because everything that had granted him his victories up to that point had been taken away from him, there was little reason for me to personally feel invested in the extended climax and anything that was happening in it. I was just waiting for Ultron to lose, with a few scenes I liked sprinkled in here and there like his final talk with Wanda.
That's my problem with climaxes in general: I don't always complain about them, but I rarely enjoy them, because there's nothing in them for me. Maybe that's why I come off as so whiny all the time, I rarely watch a story where the ending leaves me feeling good.
Edited by GNinja on Jul 4th 2019 at 5:28:44 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Ok, maybe it has already been discussed here and I failed to notice, but I just can't get the idea out of my mind.
In the aftermath of the 20th Century Fox buyout, Noah Hawley's pet project of a solo Doctor Doom movie could end up becoming part of the MCU (assuming he can convince Feige to greenlight it, that is).
I wouldn't say I feel conflicted about the idea, but I still feel worried somewhat. In spite of his massive popularity, Doom is still an Anti-Hero at best. Is it really possible to make Doom the "hero" of his own story without either taking too many liberties with the character and not having the audience feel like they're rooting for the wrong guy? Yes, Thanos was the Villain Protagonist in Infinity War, but at least the Avengers were there to counter-balance him. In a potential Doctor Doom movie however, he would be the most "heroic" character involved and I'm not certain making the antagonist worse will be enough to excuse some of Doom's darker aspects.
On the other hand, I can't help but be giddy at the irony of DOCTOR DOOOOOOOOOOM!!! potentially joining the MCU before the X-men and the Fantastic 4 do. It's like Marvel is sending the message that not only can they make Doom better than Fox ever did, they're actually willing to go the extra mile and give him his own freaking movie! And cherry on top: the director would be a former Fox collaborator.
So let's dicuss: do you think Noah Hawley has enough chops to make his Doctor Doom movie work inside the MCU? And who would you cast under the titular mask?
They could do it like his Astonishing Tales series
and have him troll everyone.
I definitely think someone like Hawley could do a Doom movie — perhaps based on the Doctor Doom/Doctor Strange mini-series where they save his mother from Hell.
As for who should play him — his reformed face post-Secret Wars was based on Vincent Cassel
, who sounds like a great choice.
If Hawley could play up the Unreliable Narrator side of it and make it clear that our "hero" isn't quite the paragon he claims then it could work, and be quite interesting. How to pull that off is a dilemma though.
Possibly have Doom perform actually heroic acts as well as villainous ones but present him as not recognising the difference.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."If people are already having problems with Thanos being Draco in Leather Pants-ed, Doom is going to be so much worse. And unlike Thanos, Doom is actual dictator of a country, something that actually exists in real life.

Him eating a bunch of spiders to psych himself up probably didn't help, either
.
Anyway, let's not talk about Ultron, that was just...embarassing. I do agree villains in superhero movies should always push the hero to go beyond his limits in some way, be it physically or intellectually. Leave the comic relief to the henchmen.
That's my biggest problem with the first Avengers: there was literally no point in the entire movie where I felt Loki was even remotelly a threat at all. Perharps when he fights Cap and Thor but the coreography and camera work on those scenes is so laughably bad it's hard to appreciate it.