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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It's come up before, but yeah. Kravel doesn't really work thematically as an adversary for T'Challa, at least in comparison to any number of T'Challa's actual enemies they could use. There was a comic that put them together once, but that doesn't make them well matched overall.
I like the idea of Kraven vs Spidey in this continuity, as Spider-Man's primary fault in the MCU is that despite his great strength his inexperience and occasional bouts of foolishness and impulsiveness - followed by effectiveness and vital intelligence once he gets his act together. Whereas Kraven is the opposite: a normal man with a great skill and complete relentlessness at what he does. One of Peter's primary traits is that he wants to live his own life, but Kraven can be anywhere, and is the kind of enemy that will outright prevent him from doing so through sheer persistence.
Which is a shame, because I think Tim Drake's plot and general concept as Robin is very adaptable to film - though that's also stymied by the fact that DC seems unwilling to put Tim in any adaptations (despite pushing him in the comics relatively recently).
I guess we'll always have Homecoming.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 3rd 2019 at 3:21:58 AM
Captain America uses drugs. Be like Captain America, and abuse substances.
Also both T'challa and Killmonger via the heart-shaped herb.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 3rd 2019 at 5:36:05 AM
In essence, Kraven is a deadlier version of Bushmaster. He uses elaborate traps and animals to aid him, too.
The use of herbs on Kraven's part is said to tank his health, though. The extent of which varies, but Kraven's most iconic story, Kraven's Last Hunt, works on the idea that he's living on borrowed time as his entire organ structure is starting to collapse due the abuse his body took from the herb consumption and fighting goddamn Spider-Man. The very same story is entirely built on the concept of Kraven being mentally unwell though ("They said my mother was insane." being Kraven's Arc Words), so it's possible it was just his own delusions acting up.
Edited by Gaon on Jul 3rd 2019 at 6:04:56 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Kraven falls under the same bullshit that allows Batman to punch way way above his weight class.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIf they introduce Kraven, I wonder if he will be a "normal" human with Charles Atlas Superpower or a superhuman in an explicit way.
I imagine that for the third film, Spiderman will already be very superior to a super soldier, so it would be strange for a "normal human" to give him a fight.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 3rd 2019 at 6:11:47 AM
It really feels weird how so many villains in the MCU are technically the underdogs when you look at it a certain way. Why people want their heroes to be THIS overwhelmingly powerful, I don't know.
(shudders in recollection of heroes like The Flash)
Edited by GNinja on Jul 3rd 2019 at 1:17:04 PM
Kaze ni Nare!![]()
If they go with normal Kraven, then I doubt they'll go the C.A.S. route.
Going off that hypothetical, I can see them making going for veteran hunter that initially has the upper hand due to his tactics until Peter catches on. Afterwards it's about showing how outmatched Kraven is. Then the rest is about Kraven stepping his game by any means for another shot at Spidey. Thinking about I wonder if they'll bring in Calypso as well.
Edited by Cross on Jul 3rd 2019 at 9:23:16 AM
@Bocaj: Batman doesn't have the sweet superpowered herbs to give him a valid excuse, though.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Ultimate Spider-Man had fun with Kraven, showing just how a normal human would fare against a superhuman like Spidey. After easily dodging a few blows from Kraven, Peter knocks him out with one punch. Then dismisses him as a "showbiz phony".
Then Kraven got so angry at this (self-inflicted) humiliation that he went through genetic engineering to become a werewolf like monster. Which still didn't work out. To add insult to injury, he never really gets to actually fight Peter again.
Edited by M84 on Jul 3rd 2019 at 9:39:47 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

I'd be up for Hugh Jackman as Kraven, using his original Australian accent for a villainous Crocodile Dundee pastiche. (he's Russian-Australian of course).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."