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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#104126: Jun 20th 2019 at 8:41:13 PM

[up][up][up][up]He could possibly appear in the film via the Ancestral Plane. In fact, an alleged leak a lot of current Phase 4 rumours seem to stem from asserted that very thing (here's a video breaking down the claims of said leak, for those interested). Of course, this being an anonymous claim from 4Chan, it goes without saying to take said assertions with a molecule of salt, but I could still see Marvel and Coogler doing that to give a brief appearance to one of their most opular recent villains even if the rest of the "leak" is bullshit.

Edited by MapleSamurai on Jun 20th 2019 at 8:42:07 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#104127: Jun 20th 2019 at 9:29:41 PM

Ancestral Plane was what I was thinking, yeah. Or even barring that, some kind of hallucination T'Challa experiences when reflecting on his past mistakes.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104128: Jun 21st 2019 at 1:44:35 AM

I don't know, personally I feel Killmonger's death was unnecessary. And my brother was openly mad that they had the perfect opportunity to keep him alive yet went out of their way to make she he'd die.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#104129: Jun 21st 2019 at 2:59:17 AM

Well I'm progressing through Luke Cage's 2nd season and just finished the episode where Mariah tells the truth about her birthing Tilda to her. Holy fucking shit, Mama Mabel is/was just...just...the worst!

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104130: Jun 21st 2019 at 3:42:17 AM

I am myself progressing on season 3 of Jessica Jones, and... Jesus. It's like someone thought "Hey guys, got an idea, what if we made a superhero show where the characters all do the worst decisions possible?!"

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104131: Jun 21st 2019 at 4:06:46 AM

[up]That has kinda been a problem with Jessica Jones' cast since Season 1, what changed?

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104132: Jun 21st 2019 at 4:14:55 AM

[up]... Fair enough. But I admit I still kinda had hope it'll improve in season 1. Now I feel at this point they are clearly not interested with improving and just trying to cumulate worst and worst decisions from the characters.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#104133: Jun 21st 2019 at 7:13:14 AM

I heard that in the third season Trish Walker turns evil. That is to say, that they turned in villain to the character that was originally the kindest of the series.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 21st 2019 at 7:13:56 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104134: Jun 21st 2019 at 7:23:29 AM

[up] I didn't watch the second season because I just don't care about the Netflix series anymore, but from what I heard it seems like a natural conclusion of her character arc. And if Jessica Took a Level in Kindness in the 3rd Season, maybe they were going for a Hourglass Plot, where Jess starts as the unstable mess and Trish as the successful Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold, and then at the end the positions are reversed?

Again, I didn't watch and I don't see myself doing it anytime soon, just pointing out a possible artistic goal of the script.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104135: Jun 21st 2019 at 7:58:59 AM

One of my favorite comics arcs remains Patsy Walker, a.k.a. Hellcat! where she’s really nice and opens a temp agency for super folks.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#104136: Jun 21st 2019 at 8:35:55 AM

And that is season 2 and, sadly, Luke Cage as a whole under my belt. Yeah, that was pretty much an improvement across the board. The action, the writing, the more grizzly moments and elements, the emotional beats (latter two are mixed to quite an effect when Mariah exposits to Tilda about the circumstances regarding her being born), it just works better. Mariah and especially Bushmaster are two of my favorite villains in the whole MCU now. The scene where Luke, John and Ingrid are all gathered around Anansi is also possibly one of my new favorite scenes in the franchise, in a season already packed with great, memorable moments.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#104137: Jun 21st 2019 at 9:46:32 AM

I've heard mixed things abou the villain of JJ season 3.

Kaze ni Nare!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104138: Jun 21st 2019 at 10:46:04 AM

The final villain of Jessica Jones is Trish Walker, but only because she thinks of herself as like the Punisher but with morals. She genuinely thinks that killing the bad guys is the right thing rather than putting them in jail. When she's finally confronted with all of her crimes, she has a Heel Realization and then gets sent to jail.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104139: Jun 21st 2019 at 10:48:01 AM

[up]I think he was referring to Sallinger, not Trish/Hellcat

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104140: Jun 21st 2019 at 11:59:12 AM

Salinger is good. Very Zemo-esque, as a chessmastering Badass Normal playing a bunch of superhumans for fools; but as a serial killer looking to claim victims and avoid the law, rather than a revenge-driven terrorist.

But regarding Luke Cage, yeah, Mariah is one of the best MCU villains. Especially when she goes to the Jamaican restaurant to help them cook some barbecue.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104142: Jun 22nd 2019 at 3:40:26 AM

Speaking of season 3 of JJ, am I the only one who noticed Jessica missing a spleen stops having actual consequences after 2 episodes?

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#104143: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:31:13 PM

Watching Luke Cage season 2. I'm still kinda salty that Bushmaster's power is "Luke Cage's power, but objectively not as good."

Also, why do people keep shooting at Luke Cage? I know this only annoys me because I get nothing out of watching heroes be badass, but it's ridiculous.

Kaze ni Nare!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#104144: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:32:01 PM

Hasn't there already been a whole discussion about how Bushmaster's powers are totally different?

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#104145: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:37:13 PM

[up] People have pointed out that the SOURCE of his powers are different. But that honestly feels like it's splitting hairs. He's got super strength and durability, but not as potent as cage's, plus his is temporary and controlled by plant based super steroids

Kaze ni Nare!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#104146: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:39:31 PM

That seems sufficiently different to me. He also seems a lot more agile and reliant on his wits.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#104147: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:42:05 PM

but anyway, I'm mostly enjoying the season. I'm just kinda depressed I don't know why.

Kaze ni Nare!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104148: Jun 22nd 2019 at 1:43:02 PM

He's less durable than Cage (bullets stick instead of bouncing off), but more agile. Not sure how his physical strength matches up but he's at least strong enough to hurt Luke Cage like two normal people fighting.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104149: Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:41:08 PM

G Ninja: Yeah, he's really not that similar to Luke Cage power-wise; super-strength and super-thoughness pretty much are standard powers, and his fighting style is drastically different.

Also, I am repeating myself at this point really don't understand your whole not getting anything from watching heroes be badass, because personally that's the primary thing that makes me watch these series. I enjoy seeing villains be badass too, but when a villain does nothing but win until the season finale, I find it frustrating and boring to no end.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#104150: Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:43:56 PM

I think people keep shooting at Luke Cage either because they don't believe he truly is completely bulletproof or because they're not willing to run and are afraid to actually approach Luke. Fight or flight bites you in the ass if you're unwilling to flight.

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