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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#104076: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:12:44 AM

I might see the movie again depending on what I hear of the bonus scenes

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104077: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:14:19 AM

I demand those bonus scenes include one of the following:

A musical number.

The Thanoscopter.

The other 16 million failed futures.

Cap sitting on a bench for 70 years, chuckling to himself about how epic this prank is going to be.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104078: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:15:59 AM

If they show Black Widow's ashes alongside Tony's that's my biggest criticism of the movie erased.

I don't feel as strongly about the whole deal as some others, but I do agree it was a dick move.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104079: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:16:24 AM

They aren't really "bonus" scenes, a la an extended cut. The scenes will come after the film itself and will include interviews, presumably with the directors and cast.

[up] I mean, how would they get Black Widow's ashes? They didn't even retrieve her body from Vormir?

Edited by alliterator on Jun 19th 2019 at 8:16:58 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#104080: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:17:03 AM

I don't know if I can really justify seeing Endgame a third time. I did my part, already, dammit! [lol]

They mourn Natasha after the time heist. There is a whole scene dedicated to it. I don't know where this "lack of respect" accusation is coming from. I don't think she would have wanted an elaborate funeral, anyway.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 19th 2019 at 11:18:28 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104081: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:21:44 AM

There’s only one way they could’ve brought back Nat’s body and it’s arguably for the best of all the viewers’ eyes that they didn’t. O_O

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104082: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:29:29 AM

Okay, "ashes" was a brain fart on my part, but I do think they should put somwthing alongside the "Tony Stark Has A Heart" old reactor.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#104083: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:38:47 AM

It’s hard to place a funeral for Natasha that doesn’t look bad because it’s going to be compared to Tony’s and he was just so much more a public figure than she was

On a general note I wouldn’t say nay to a monument to all the Avengers that have died so far with a prominent Natasha.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#104084: Jun 19th 2019 at 9:35:01 AM

Just so long as they continue the running theme of nobody remembering Quicksilver.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#104085: Jun 19th 2019 at 10:30:54 AM

No he’s on the monument but smaller than the others and giving a sheepish shrug

Wanda insisted

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#104086: Jun 19th 2019 at 10:39:21 AM

“Not an extended cut, but there will be a version going into theaters with a bit of a marketing push with a few new things at the end of the movie,” he said. “If you stay and watch the movie, after the credits, there’ll be a deleted scene, a little tribute, and a few surprises. Which will be next weekend.”

It sounds like they're adding in the post-credits bits that were unexpectedly missing from the original theatrical release.

I have mixed feelings about that. I mean, post-credits scenes are a Marvel staple, but I actually liked that Endgame didn't have one. It complemented the film's finality.

Endgame is a Jumping-Off Point for the MCU. There will be more MCU films, but this is still the end of an era. That's why there wasn't a post-credits scene before; you're not meant to come out of the film going, "Hey, let's talk about these three movies happening next year." You're meant to come out going, "Wow, what a conclusion." The decision to omit a post-credits scene (not even a silly gag like the Shwarma bit) was a meaningful deviation from formula that highlighted that finality.

But on the other hand, it sounds like one of the things they're adding is going to be a heartfelt tribute to Stan Lee. Endgame was in an uncomfortable position with Lee's passing, having already been filmed but not yet aired at the time. They could just do something sweet for him in the next movie, but Endgame is the biggest film of Marvel's entire history and might actually go #1 at the box office. There is no better place for it than here.

So I guess my opinion will depend on what the new post-credits scenes actually are.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#104087: Jun 19th 2019 at 11:22:02 AM

The Thanoscopter was already in Endgame.

His sword is the rotor blades.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104088: Jun 19th 2019 at 12:19:43 PM

Now that I think about it, the whole worrying about Riri due to her bad “1st impression” in the comics is completely dumb as fuck.

I mean most of the general movie going audience doesn’t even read comics at all, they don’t give a fuck that her first appearances included some bad writing.

The idea that the MCU has to work extra hard because of that is absolutely asinine because it ultimately does not matter at all.

All they have to do is give her a good & entertaining movie. That’s fucking it.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 19th 2019 at 12:19:50 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104089: Jun 19th 2019 at 12:24:17 PM

They may not read the comics (like myself) but a bad impression in the comics means a different approach is needed to avoid the same mistakes

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#104090: Jun 19th 2019 at 12:46:14 PM

Fixing Riri is like fixing Civil War, or for something more similar, the original Iron Man. There's a lot of bad that needs to be jettisoned out but it's not like the concept is poisonous at its core as it is with certain types of characters (I'm looking at you, Fu Manchu). Original comics Shuri was jealous and resentful of her brother and not a particularly sympathetic character in my opinion, but movie Shuri is my favorite.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104091: Jun 19th 2019 at 12:48:21 PM

Oh right comic-Shuri was a major prick.

Very patriotic & traditional as well as exiling her brother once.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#104092: Jun 19th 2019 at 1:07:25 PM

Shuri could become Iron heart,maybe?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#104093: Jun 19th 2019 at 1:15:57 PM

I wouldn’t recommend that. They have very different backgrounds; it’d be like compositing War Machine and Black Panther. MCU Shuri doesn’t seem like she’d want to model herself after Tony Stark anyway.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 19th 2019 at 1:16:55 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#104094: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:23:01 PM

Did they even meet each other?

First reactions for Far From Home are in and they're positive.

Edited by comicwriter on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:23:35 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#104095: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:28:16 PM

So it definitely seems to ramp up the romance angle. Meh, not a big of romance in general, but for those who are it sounds cute.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104096: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:39:04 PM

Though it was expected considering they are already upping Michelle's role here.

Hopefully Vulture doesn't get too mad. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:39:35 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#104097: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:41:00 PM

Since we have X-Men rights now and thus there would be no confusion as to where the alter-ego belongs, I'd love to see Liz return as an adaptation of Ultimate Firestar.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:41:25 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#104098: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:43:43 PM

Hey she doesn't have to worry about her father being a bloated cannibal now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#104099: Jun 19th 2019 at 2:52:57 PM

If they ever do a Spider-Man vs the Sinister Six story, she really would work as an ally.

Come to think of it... okay, depending on how they choose to do Human Torch (if they do "the Four were adventurers in the past," he'd be too old, and plus by the time they get to FF movies Spidey's series will probably be over), who's for having Firestar as the hotshot flame-headed hero Spidey's age who becomes his best hero pal / rival?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:53:52 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters

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