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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#104051: Jun 19th 2019 at 5:11:01 AM

one more day ONE MORE DAY

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104052: Jun 19th 2019 at 5:15:01 AM

[up][up]Then nothing was confirmed?

Pity, I always felt Ironheart is a pretty neat concept that was brought short by Bendis' horrible writing, I was actually looking forward to her showing on live-action.

One day, though. Hopefully.

BTW, speaking of Iron Man, who else here wants to see Peter acting like a doting big brother to lil' Morgan? 'Cause that would melt my heart like you wouldn't believe.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 19th 2019 at 9:15:34 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#104053: Jun 19th 2019 at 6:36:29 AM

[up]The problem is well, you only have one chance to make a first impression. I’ll avoid beating a dead horse with my usual example and will say that the initial writing of Ironheart as a smug sociopath has tainted her and will make any use of her an uphill battle, but it’s no different than Carol post CW II.

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#104054: Jun 19th 2019 at 6:44:07 AM

So I know nothing about Riri aside from what I've heard in this thread.

But I think if they're going for her having a central motivation to surpass Tony it would be a pretty nice character arc.

Since he's, you know, dead.

It might be a pretty basic thing for her to move past, since its impossible-ish.

But I think it could make for a nice arc.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#104055: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:04:11 AM

[up][up]CW 2 was only important to people who read comics which is less than a fraction of the movie going audience. The people who paid to see the film didn't know or care about what happened in one of Marvel's many stupid events. Tony was a bigger risk when his first film was in the making.

It would be child's play (no pun intended) for the MCU to make Riri appealing to a wider audience. Especially if Bendis isn't involved in the writing.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 19th 2019 at 7:09:37 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104056: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:05:36 AM

[up][up][up]I agree that a bad first impression is hard to move past, but that is precisely why I want Riri in the MCU: in live-action, she's blank, there's no past history to concern yourself with, just cherry-pick whatever is best from the source and go nuts.

Iron Man was pretty hated back when the first movie was released, lest we forget, and pretty much the whole world outside the USA thought Captain America was a complete joke of a character that only existed as a progapanda piece, and look at where we are now.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 19th 2019 at 11:06:10 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#104057: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:06:40 AM

Again, sociopath is a bit much

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#104058: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:06:43 AM

[up][up]Exactly. Specify that Bendis has zero say, make it so you’re only using the broad concept of Ironheart, and you’ll have a potential to craft a likable character, as well as 10,900 videos about why she’s the absolute worst.

Hell, you have a built in tag line. “The legacy keeps beating” or some other heart based pun.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 19th 2019 at 10:08:05 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#104059: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:10:54 AM

As long as she doesn’t get her start stealing Tony’s memorial arc reactor

That’d be messed up

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#104060: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:12:08 AM

[up]...That’s what you do if you want a villain. Have her try to make it by herself IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104061: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:12:41 AM

[up][up][up][up]I think "narcissistic" fits better, and not the fun kind of narcissism but the actual clinical condition.

Maybe it's just me, but the way she just stares at the teacher with that blank look in her face pressuring the woman to be prejudiced against her is just incredibly off-puting.

[up]Her making a primitive version of an Iron Man suit in her garage would make for an excellent character introduction, actually.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 19th 2019 at 11:14:35 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104062: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:17:48 AM

[up] Have you actually read Riri's first appearance or are you just going off of those three pages? Because Riri isn't a sociopath and she isn't a narcissistic. What is is very socially awkward, due to many different factors including the fact that she had such a large IQ at a young age (which is why she invented a narrative in her head and was disappointed when the teacher didn't adhere to that narrative) and the fact that her only friend was killed in a drive-by shooting.

Seriously, read her other appearances rather than that flashback. And then read Eve Ewing's Ironheart book. It's awesome.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#104063: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:21:19 AM

[up][up]That I could see. It might actually work a bit better if she’s obsessed with the narrative without the whole “my teacher needs to be racist”. She wants to build it in a cave but her parents aren’t having it. There’s an idea for a good character there, a teen inventor who thinks she’s destined for great things, and probably is, but she has to realize they need to be done for the right reasons or else she’ll cause more harm than good.

But you have to throw out just about everything but the core concept.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 19th 2019 at 10:21:56 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#104064: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:24:03 AM

Iron Man was pretty hated back when the first movie was released, lest we forget, and pretty much the whole world outside the USA thought Captain America was a complete joke of a character that only existed as a progapanda piece, and look at where we are now.

I really was hoping the Captain Marvel could do the same thing for people who hated Carol after the infamous Civil War II debacle. Unfortunately, thanks to all the Anti-SJW morons doing all in their power to make it look like she was the most hated thing on Earth, I legit have no idea if the movie succeeded at making her popular again.

[up][up]Eh, nowaday any excuse is good to accuse a character of being a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist. Or accuse a real person of the same really. You should see some character studies you can find on the internet.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 19th 2019 at 4:24:30 PM

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#104065: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:25:29 AM

I really was hoping the Captain Marvel could do the same thing for people who hated Carol after the infamous Civil War II debacle. Unfortunately, thanks to all the Anti-SJW morons doing all in their power to make it look like she was the most hated thing on Earth, I legit have no idea if the movie succeeded at making her popular again.

$1.1 billion at the box office is a good sign.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 19th 2019 at 8:29:06 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104066: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:27:01 AM

[up]Yep.

She's at worst a base breaker, but if they tried to make her seem like a scrappy they pretty much failed.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#104067: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:29:16 AM

And, stepping across companies for a moment, did you know that Aquaman is a sexy ultra-badass who rakes in Avengers-level money while telling those losers Batman and Superman to eat shit?

One good movie is all it really takes.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104068: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:43:56 AM

[up]Let's not forget Shazam either, nor GOTG.

Both of which were complete non-entities before the film adaptations.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#104069: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:47:31 AM

Sometimes I wonder why everyone tries so hard to make up for one shitty portrayal 30 years ago. Everyone kinda sucked in that one!

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104070: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:50:54 AM

[up]'Cause he sucked more than the rest, you see.

Not to mention he was the butt of a million jokes since then.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#104071: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:54:55 AM

[up]Everyone made fun of him. Literally everyone. And the jokes were unceasing because it was a much wider audience than a comic.

The concept of Ironheart isn’t irredeemable by a long shot. They just need to put their best foot forward and not let Bendis write a single line of dialog. Ignore the comics for the most part but use that concept and make something out of it.

My concern is someone going “oh, she was like that in the comic, we have to make her the worst” which given what they didn’t do with Hank Pym, seems like worrying too much.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 19th 2019 at 10:56:08 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#104072: Jun 19th 2019 at 7:56:36 AM

[up] Don't ignore the comics, just go straight to Eve Ewing's Ironheart comics. They are so good and so much better than anything Bendis wrote for Riri. (There is a reason that a lot of articles are mistakenly saying that Eve Ewing created the character along with Bendis.)

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#104074: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:08:31 AM

God, Avatar was a monster.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#104075: Jun 19th 2019 at 8:12:14 AM

[up][up][up]In a way, he just might've.

I mean, Daredevil, Hulk, X-Men, all were conceived by Stan Lee, but their real creators are Frank Miller, Peter David, and Chris Claremont, respectively.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 19th 2019 at 12:12:39 PM


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