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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Okay I can't find the entire exchange (if someone can that be nice) but luckily Riri's trope page here has the page where she stares at her teacher who tells her she can't be Tony Stark out of exasperation.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/Ironheart
Its the link in the middle of Memetic Psychopath. Don't worry it only links to the page itself, nothing else.
Edited by slimcoder on Jun 16th 2019 at 3:10:17 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."So uh, Father's Day, huh. Boy howdy has the MCU not had the most flattering of track records with dads. So uh, what good-ish dads are there? Hmm...Scott, maybe Clint, Yondu was a mixed bag but he had his moments, (ENDGAME SPOILERS AHEAD) Tony Stark...any notable good dads in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or the Netflix shows?
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Here's the entire exchange courtesy of google and tumblr.
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Not the best quality, it's kinda hard to read, but you get the whole thing.
Edited by MrSeyker on Jun 16th 2019 at 3:14:46 AM
It’s spite
The name of the emotion is spite. She wants someone to tell her no so she can do it anyway out of spite
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Oh God! Natural light!Basically, Riri wanted to invoke the trope where a kid has their dreams shat on, only to grow up and prove everyone wrong (do we have a trope page for that?), and she got upset at her teacher not playing into the narrative.
I found the theme of Tony Stark. What are some other numbers from musicals that jump out to you as themes for MCU characters?
My various fanfics.That exchange actually made sense to me. Like, I haven't actually read any of Ironheart's comics because I fell out of comics just as she was starting to become a thing. But reading those three pages, they kinda clicked for me.
Riri was disappointed because she'd built up this whole confrontation in her head beforehand. Have you ever done that thing where you know there's going to be an fight over something really important, so you run through the matter in your mind over and over? Like, maybe with your spouse or your job or something. And then you get there and the other person or persons are just like, "Cool, you're right," and there's no argument?
And then you kinda feel disappointed 'cause you prepared, like, an entire speech's worth of arguments that are now totally wasted on your point's complete lack of opposition? Like, I came in here expecting a shouting match and I'm glad there's not a shouting match but also I was totally prepped for a shouting match and I don't know what to do with that energy now.
She's doing that with her life's ambitions. She was 100% expecting to have her dream shot down and didn't really know how to process the teacher's unapologetic acceptance. She came in here to have a fight and the teacher's not fighting her!
The teacher, meanwhile, recognizes that Riri's weirdly disappointed about not being talked down to. She doesn't want to take back her acceptance of Riri's (or anyone's) life goals, but she also doesn't want Riri to walk away underwhelmed. She doesn't want this to negatively impact Riri's life ambitions the way that a strong negative emotional response often can.
So she compromises. Rather than have the fight Riri came here for, she challenges her instead on an unreasonable life goal. It avoids undermining the idea she just stated: that girls like Riri can be scientists and politicians and whatever they want to be. It narrows the scope; most little girls (and boys, for that matter) won't grow up to be one of the seven most brilliant super-scientists on the face of the planet Earth.
It's the difference between saying "You could be a spiritual leader" versus saying "You could be Mahatma Gandhi, specifically." You probably won't be Gandhi. No one should reasonably expect you to be Gandhi.
So Riri takes that to heart and sets her life goal on being Tony Stark rather than simply trying to be a talented science person. An unreasonable life goal is established, setting the stage for the hero to beat the odds and achieve it.
Maybe not the best way to go about it, but I get what Bendis was going for there. Though as I write this I do have a problem with the premise of using a male character as a measuring stick for a female character's success. But that is kinda the nature of the beast with any Distaff Counterpart Legacy Character.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 17th 2019 at 8:50:22 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I mean, I get what you’re saying, but as a driving motivation, it’s kind of petty, and not in a good way.
While I can understand if Bendis felt like playing the whole thing straight was a bit cliche, this is a rather awkward solution. Plus...I dunno, having a marginalized kid wanting to craft this specific narrative seems iffy, like it’s saying that black people make up racism?
Mind you, I don’t think that was intentional, and she IS just a kid, but I don’t think it’s a good idea regardless.
Oh God! Natural light!Well she already has PTSD in the comics from nearly being Thanos’d
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Greed? Weird but okay.
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