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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103851: Jun 15th 2019 at 10:49:50 AM

[up] Not always. But it stands out when it feels like a trend. And it adds to the sense of feeling a bit alienated from the rest of the fanbase. When the entire theater is laughing uproariously at the Puny God scene, and I just feel sad, it's not a nice feeling. And then the fans will bring up that scene when gushing about the film. And I just have to sit in the corner kinda quietly. I like being part of a community. But my tastes are often so different that even though we all like films I can't talk about the same things others can.

Kaze ni Nare!
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#103852: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:18:55 PM

If they ever do the "Kang was a Pharoah in Ancient Egypt" thing - which admittedly they probably won't because it's stupid and arguably insenstitive - they really ought to change the name.

Because ugh, "Rama-Tut" is stupid and definitely insensitive.

Well, there might be one way to make it work...

Kang: -kills someone with future technology- "BEHOLD, I AM YOUR NEW GOD, RAMA-TUT!"

Assorted Ancient Egyptians: "...That sounds fake, but I'm not going to argue with him."

(I'm half-joking here)

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jun 15th 2019 at 3:19:41 PM

Oh God! Natural light!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103853: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:24:23 PM

One interesting thought would be to make Kang the Conqueror the real explanation for The Sea Peoples, a historical cypher of a people that attacked Egypt during the Late Bronze Age Collapse. No one has any firm grasp on where these guys came from, only that they arrived and stormed Ancient Egypt like nobody's business. The Egyptians only says they came from "the sea" and also had no idea who these fuckers were.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103854: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:36:33 PM

Reminder that Quicksilver deserved to die for the crime of being way too slow.

[up] Huh mysterious.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2019 at 12:36:59 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#103855: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:46:37 PM

and for poor gun safety

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#103856: Jun 15th 2019 at 1:33:59 PM

In his original appearance in Fantastic Four, Kang/Rama-Tut's rule of Ancient Egypt was supposed to have occurred during an era that there are mysteriously no historical records of.

He also crash landed there in a giant time machine shaped like the Sphinx.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103857: Jun 15th 2019 at 3:11:57 PM

Would rather they not engage in Ancient Aliens with Ancient Egypt as it's an annoying cliche. But neighboring nations for which there is a completely ambiguous historical? Not as much of a bad idea.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103858: Jun 15th 2019 at 3:22:34 PM

Huh if we bring in Psylocke we could also bring in Captain Britain.

And to keep Psylocke's iconic look without the body swap either make her Brian's Japanese half-sister or just make Brian himself part Japanese too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#103859: Jun 15th 2019 at 7:40:34 PM

That's more or less what I was thinking for Brian and Betsy.

It would mean they wouldn't be twins anymore, but they already looked pretty different.

One Strip! One Strip!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103860: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:22:24 PM

You could also have Betsy either be a Japanese woman who was adopted by the Braddocks or have her be Brian's step sister.

Though I wonder if we'll even get Japanese Betsy now that she and Kwannon are back in their original bodies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103861: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:24:51 PM

Well which look of Betsy is more iconic?

Plus is Kwannon enough of a character to be worthy of consideration?

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2019 at 8:26:48 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103862: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:27:45 PM

If we get Captain Britain can we eventually get Mad Jim Jaspers? That's the main thing I want from his mythos. tongue

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103863: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:31:54 PM

[up][up]Then again, the last movie to feature an Asian Betsy didn't do too well.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103864: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:36:42 PM

It didn’t fail because of her.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103865: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:50:10 PM

True but I can see an exec deciding to avoid making her Japanese to distance themselves from Apocalypse.

Doesn't help that Betsy has never really been a fan favourite in any of the adaptations she's appeared in due to how minor her character is.

Kwannon's at least an option if they need an Asian female character that isn't Jubilee.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 15th 2019 at 9:51:33 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103866: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:51:49 PM

I think she is a generally well-liked character though.

And Marvel will care more about not referencing Dark Phoenix than Apocalypse.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 15th 2019 at 9:52:17 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#103867: Jun 16th 2019 at 4:31:47 AM

There's a lot of good stuff to bring in if we go for Captain Britain - Betsy, Black Knight, Faiza (doesn't get used much but I like her), Meggan, maybe the rest of Excalibur and/or MI-13... Unfortunately I'm skeptical they'd ever go for that.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103868: Jun 16th 2019 at 5:21:14 AM

I want MI-13 with Dracula and his castle on the moon.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#103869: Jun 16th 2019 at 7:57:44 AM

You know, not bothering with Dark Phoenix could mean Jean might finally become a character not defined by the Phoenix.

It's been such a huge part of her life both in an out of comics, but it kinda feels like some writers don't know what to do with her if it's not about Phoenix.

It's a damned shame we'll never get a good adaptation of that story, but maybe now we'll get more about Jean herself, and less about Jean the Phoenix.

One Strip! One Strip!
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103870: Jun 16th 2019 at 8:02:57 AM

It's been such a huge part of her life both in an out of comics, but it kinda feels like some writers don't know what to do with her if it's not about Phoenix.

Agreed. The only adaptation I can think of that did something with her without Phoenix was in X-Men Evolution. And that wasn't even much.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103872: Jun 16th 2019 at 9:59:47 AM

I'm surprised I've never heard of Ironheart before now.

The legend has returned.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#103873: Jun 16th 2019 at 10:31:08 AM

[up]Ironheart...is not well liked last I checked.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103874: Jun 16th 2019 at 11:01:22 AM

When did you last check, and where? Eve Ewing’s new run has been doing pretty well the past year.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103875: Jun 16th 2019 at 11:02:09 AM

[up][up]It's... complicated. She is disliked partially because of the same stupid controversy than for Captain Marvel (you know, Marvel being accused of going SJW or some crap like this) and partially because her character was introduced after disposing of Stark in a rather poor way. But I think she has started to grow as her own thing since then. Now only the Anti-SJW morons really stick to hating her it seems.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 16th 2019 at 8:02:37 PM


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