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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103826: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:30:50 AM

That’s why Yo-Yo has such a good superspeed power

The snapback is a good limitation to prevent things from being too overpowered

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103827: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:34:28 AM

Doesn't Kang have some connection to Apocalypse?

Kang is one of the main reasons En Sabah Nur became Apocalypse. See, Nur was abandoned at birth due to his obvious mutations, but he was adopted by Baal, the leader of a group of bandits called the Sandstormers. It was Baal who would go on to mold his adopted son into the Social Darwinist he would grow up to be.

Then Kang under his guise as the Pharaoh Rama-Tut sent his forces to track down and slaughter the Sandstormers since he wanted to claim Nur as his own soldier (knowing what he would one day become).

Baal and Nur took refuge in a cave, but Baal's injuries were mortal. Before he died, he revealed to Nur a cache of Celestial technology he had found in said cave and tasked him with avenging the Sandstormers.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103828: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:38:44 AM

The usual trick for these things is to have limitations, yeah. One that isn't used so often but works pretty well is the Logical Weakness of super-speed requiring a insane amount of caloric burn and thus you can't be always on superspeed mode, necessitating to pace yourself or you'll run out of energy before long and just black out.

A good friend of mine had a hero character called Expresso, whose powerset was super-speed but specifically fueled by caffeine, and thus had to keep chugging down ridiculous amounts of coffee to maintain his sense of velocity, but he also had to take care not to O.D on it (as even a superhuman body has a limit to how much caffeeine and super-speed its metabolism can take). That allowed the character to have a more workable power-set.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103829: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:40:21 AM

If they ever do the "Kang was a Pharoah in Ancient Egypt" thing - which admittedly they probably won't because it's stupid and arguably insenstitive - they really ought to change the name.

Because ugh, "Rama-Tut" is stupid and definitely insensitive.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 15th 2019 at 8:40:47 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103830: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:00:22 AM

I mean, that's not his real name, just one he chose because grew with with the Theme Park Version of history. Kang's real name is Nathaniel Richards.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103831: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:09:43 AM

RICHARDSSSSSS

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103832: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:15:30 AM

Reading about Kang and seeing that he's essentially just a smart guy with some really good tech automatically makes me worry for what kind of "puny god" shtick they could inflict on him courtesy of Thor or Hulk.

Kaze ni Nare!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103833: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:21:08 AM

Kang's backstory is that he's a bored rich guy who is inflicting untold misery across time and space for fun.

Edited by M84 on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:21:18 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103834: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:22:27 AM

[up]Sounds like the kind of guy you want to see get his ass kicked in a very humiliating fashion.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103835: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:22:43 AM

Also, he's interfered with his own history so much that he doesn't remember having a backstory where he doesn't encounter a future version of himself.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103836: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:24:36 AM

[up]x5 He actually is related to Reed Richards. He's a descendant of the original Nathaniel Richards aka Reed's father.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103837: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:26:56 AM

[up][up][up] I mean... you could say the same for Loki in Avengers. And the puny god scene still made me want to chew nails. XD

Kaze ni Nare!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103838: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:30:25 AM

[up][up] Is he? I don't think that's ever been established.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103839: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:34:23 AM

I think the Puny God scene was one of the highlights of the film.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103840: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:35:52 AM

Kang's personal history makes *no goddamn sense* whatsoever.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103841: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:37:16 AM

[up][up] Well... of course it was a highlight. I'm not dumb, I'd never deny that most people loved it. I just hate seeing villains be curbstomped and humiliated. So any scene that reminds me of it is going to make me depressed a bit.

Kaze ni Nare!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103843: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:43:02 AM

(grumble grumble), and some people still try to get me to watch One Punch Man and Tengen Toppa (grumble grumble) Damned trolls.

Kaze ni Nare!
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103844: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:47:16 AM

Your fascination with villains is starting to sound borderline religious in nature at this point.

Please don't throw yourself in a vat of chemicals or anything of the sort.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103845: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:50:08 AM

[up] It's actually not nearly as all consuming as I make it sound. My fav Pixar movie is Inside Out, for instance. One of the few without a villain.

I just have this really strong stance that if you're going to bother having one, don't treat them like garbage.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 15th 2019 at 4:50:37 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#103846: Jun 15th 2019 at 9:58:45 AM

Stephen King's Dark Tower was all about how villain worship is stupid, so....

Watch Symphogear
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103847: Jun 15th 2019 at 10:10:47 AM

I'd personally like to see the Blob in an MCU movie, preferably an Ant-Man and the Wasp movie where Wasp kicks his ass.

The legend has returned.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103848: Jun 15th 2019 at 10:19:42 AM

How is having your villains rightfully be defeated and humiliated after all the horrible shit they have done treating them like garbage?

And yes, I likes villains too. Look at my profile picture.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103849: Jun 15th 2019 at 10:25:42 AM

[up] It's more that I don't feel the right emotion in response to it.

Like, even knowing that a villain has done horrible things, I rarely genuinely hate them, so them being humiliated just feels mean and makes me sad.

That's really all there is to it. My sense of schadenfreude doesn't work right.

Kaze ni Nare!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#103850: Jun 15th 2019 at 10:41:11 AM

[up]Nothing is wrong with that, buddy.

However, is the way a story treats it's villains really the breaking point for you in seeing stories?

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