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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103801: Jun 14th 2019 at 7:28:34 PM

I'd like to see a film have another go at Apocalypse. Some people think the next big bad should be Kang the Conquerer. Doesn't Kang have some connection to Apocalypse?

Edited by GNinja on Jun 14th 2019 at 2:29:02 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103802: Jun 14th 2019 at 7:41:38 PM

These are the X-Men characters that have appeared in non-X-Men books and can definitely appear in non-X-Men movies:

  • Sabretooth started out as an antagonist for Iron Fist. If they ever end up making an Iron Fist movie or restarting his show on Hulu, I definitely think they can include Sabretooth as a villain.
  • Mystique and Rogue started as villains for Carol Danvers, who was Ms. Marvel at the time. I can see a mysterious person working in the background, pulling strings, and then at the end revealing she is actually Mystique.
  • Jaime Madrox the Multiple Man first appeared in Giant-Sized Fantastic Four #4. I can see the FF meeting him or trying to figure out his powers before realizing he's a mutant.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103803: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:42:51 PM

I have to say I would have liked to see Cyclops and Cap interact since they are both men of action and leaders of men.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103804: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:47:50 PM

I really don't think Steve Rogers is going to appear in another film. Unless you meant Sam Wilson.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103805: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:51:40 PM

I did say would have liked which indicates past tense.

The thought must adapt now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103806: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:12:39 PM

I always wanted to see Cap fight Dr. Octopus. Not for any plot reason, just because I felt it was a fight that would be very visually interesting.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103807: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:17:29 PM

Doc Ock is one of those interesting villains who I kinda feel gets a bit of... heightened competence because of how famous he is.

Like, in the PS 4 spiderman game he's positioned as being the most powerful member of the Sinister 6. The most intelligent? Certainly. But the most dangerous in a fight? Compared to Rhino, Electro, Scorpion?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103808: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:22:00 PM

Those 3 are idiots, the former especially with the latter 2 being generally insane.

Can any of them build a death ray that can cook the planet?

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 14th 2019 at 10:22:36 AM

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103809: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:28:18 PM

[up] As I said, I buy him being the most intelligent of them. But I've never understood how Spiderman can never just knock him out in a single punch. Otto is a totally normal human with some swanky robot arms and a big brain.

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#103810: Jun 14th 2019 at 11:22:40 PM

To paraphrase Stan Lee himself: "while Green Goblin is Peter Parker's greatest opponent, Doc Ock is Spider-Man's greatest opponent".

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#103811: Jun 14th 2019 at 11:39:36 PM

Doc ock being able to tank blows from Spider-Man is unfortunately just a "necessary weasel" kind of deal. Technically yes one punch should have him sparked out unconscious but it's comic books. I know thats probably not a helpful answer.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103813: Jun 14th 2019 at 11:49:57 PM

It's like how Superman wreck Lex Luthor's murder machines with Lex inside, and the guy takes no damage. Or how Batman can continually break his enemies' bones, yet they come back no worse for the wear a few days later. Or how the Rogues (or really anyone who isn't Prof. Zoom) can challenge Flash at all, let alone be a collective archenemy to him.

Just roll with it, I say.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103814: Jun 14th 2019 at 11:51:57 PM

Well, there's him tanking punches, and I'm not sure how he can even hit S Pidey to begin with. Even with the arms he's a normal human with human reflexes fighting someone with preternatural reflexes and speed. I have flashbacks to Green Arrow managing to land hits on the Flash in the tv show and that destroyed my brain.

Yeah, I know it's all comic books. It doesn't annoy me or anything. That was just my point about how Doc Ock gets to be especially competent mainly because of how famous he is. Like an offshoot of joker immunity.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 14th 2019 at 6:53:04 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103815: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:08:03 AM

I do not find it annoying personally; many versions of the character make it clear Doc Ock's tentacles have 1) much faster reaction time than a normal human and 2) are equipped in a way that allow him to see all around him. So yeah, his human part should be easy to hit, but his robotic arms can stop blows before Peter hits.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#103816: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:09:39 AM

I think the Flash is consistently portrayed as having slower reflexes than would be proportional to his speed, which is why people can hit him. It's not a 1-1 of movement speed to reflexes, his reflexes are much faster than a normal human, but they're much slower than his movement speed. I might be wrong on that, but that's the most logical reason I can think of.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 15th 2019 at 12:10:09 PM

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#103817: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:16:42 AM

Sometimes the Flash has rapid movement but average reaction time, other times he has reaction time so fast he gets bored in daily life because everyone else is moving so slow.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103818: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:40:58 AM

I think Ock is just so squishy that Peter over-corrects and hits Ock a lot less hard than he does other non-powered human opponents.

In a novel, he once got mad at Doc Ock for purposefully trying to recreate George Stacy's death and punched him hard enough to break his arm.

That's what happens when he doesn't hold back with Otto and that's probably what he usually wants to avoid.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103819: Jun 15th 2019 at 12:41:03 AM

[up][up]i thought the latter was Quicksilver's thing.

[up]and then there's that beatdown be inflicted upon Kingpin when the latter got Aunt May shot.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 15th 2019 at 12:47:24 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103820: Jun 15th 2019 at 1:08:17 AM

[up] Man, quicksilver is simultaneously the best and worst thing about those X Men movies I swear.

Like, as stand alone sequences, his scenes are amazing works of art. But in the larger scope of a story, conflict should not exist in a world with someone as fast as Quicksilver is there.

Kaze ni Nare!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103821: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:05:41 AM

i thought the latter was Quicksilver's thing.

Only in the movies.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103822: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:07:17 AM

It’s a pretty famous Quicksilver moment from the comics too

He describes his whole life as standing in line behind someone that can’t figure out an ATM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#103823: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:11:24 AM

quicksilver is so fast he raced into his grave

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#103824: Jun 15th 2019 at 8:20:59 AM

And not to derail too much, but Flash demonstrated in the tv show that he's capable of pacing around an entire room multiple times while the world appears to be in slow motion, think through precisely what he wants to say to the girl in front of him, get back into position, and resume normal time like nothing happened all in the span it takes some coffee granules to travel from the packet to the lip of a mug. That kind of speed is so ludicrous that writers have to pretend it doesn't exist. You expect me to believe that he can then move on to get hit by normal humans leading their hits or feinting. He should be capable of doing his taxes, working out, going to get a pizza, all before picking up his opponent and carrying them into prison before his opponent can even think. It's why super speed is one of my least favourite super powers, it's the one that needs to be ignored the most for plots to work, and it being ignored is especially obvious.

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