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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#103776: Jun 13th 2019 at 10:22:12 PM

Although the snap gets reversed in the comics so it turns out that Death was full of shit too

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103777: Jun 13th 2019 at 10:24:11 PM

Well, this sucks: Daredevil Season 3's one-take prison riot fight scene couldn't be nominated for an Emmy award...because it was too long. The TV Academy only accepts clips that are three minutes, while the one-take prison riot is, I believe, ten minutes long.

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#103778: Jun 13th 2019 at 10:53:44 PM

Goddamnit, that's easily one of the best oners I've ever seen, it should totally be eligible for an Emmy. The rules should be "scene shorter than 3 minutes, unless it's a single uninterrupted take".

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#103779: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:41:21 AM

I haven't seen any season of Daredevil passed the first. How does this single take fight differ from the other single take fights in the show?

Actually, who's the villain of Season 3 of DD? Is it Kingpin again?

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103780: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:46:03 AM

[up]Kingpin again, yes, but he's using Bullseye as The Dragon. And this version of Bullseye is much more interesting character-wise than in the comic, at least in my opinion. He's given enough importance in the show that he's not far from being a major villain of his own right.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 14th 2019 at 1:47:07 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#103781: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:51:26 AM

[up] Can you jump into season 3 without watching season 2? Becasue I had no interest in either the Punisher or the damn Hand. So I'd been avoiding it.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103782: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:58:58 AM

[up]Sorry, don't think you can; lots of things change during season 2, especially among the protagonists, so you're at risk of being lost if you go right to season 3. And you might also need to watch The Defenders to follow what's going on. If that can make you feel any better, Kingpin does appear and has an arc in Season 2.

Though, may I ask why you tried avoiding the Hand and the Punisher? If for the Punisher it's the same reasons than me (I disliked the character because of how unlikable Garth Ennis made him), I'm pleased to tell the show does a great job at making him likable. I found myself actually caring for this incarnation of the character, something I had not felt in years.

Sadly can't say the same for the Hand. They started out meh and only get worse as it goes on; by Defenders, I feel they are a borderline joke.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 14th 2019 at 2:01:08 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#103783: Jun 14th 2019 at 5:09:02 AM

[up] The Hand I just found to be uninteresting and really overexposed. They were the worst part of season 1, and then the other Netflix shows kept using them for some god damn reason.

Punisher, I saw the first few episodes of season 2, and I'm just not keen on the core conflict that seemed to be brewing. Punisher questioning why Daredevil has his no killing rule.

In general I've never liked the basic idea of the Punisher. Because even though he's not always written as being completely in the right, and sometimes he's even supposed to be wrong, I never feel like I'm supposed to truly hate him for anything. My friend even has a joke that Punisher's super power is the ability to retroactively reveal that everyone he ever kills was a piece of shit. And the ability to fire a scatter shotgun in a hospital without hitting anyone innocent.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 14th 2019 at 12:12:44 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#103784: Jun 14th 2019 at 5:10:33 AM

My friend even has a joke that Punisher's super power is the ability to retroactively reveal that everyone he ever kills was a piece of shit. And the ability to fire a scatter shotgun in a hospital without hitting anyone innocent.

... That would be hilarious if it wasn't depressingly true^^'

As for the rest, can't really counter any of your arguments. But if you want to skip to season 3, I suggest you just get a friend of yours to summarize you all that happens in season 2 and Defenders that's relevant, and you should be fine.

Edited by Theokal3 on Jun 14th 2019 at 2:12:07 PM

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#103785: Jun 14th 2019 at 5:50:29 AM

The film Punisher: War Zone had a really clever plot point where Frank learns that one of his victims is an undercover cop and it wrecks him.

Shame the movie's so terrible.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103786: Jun 14th 2019 at 7:16:51 AM

How does this single take fight differ from the other single take fights in the show?
Well, the single take fight scene in the first season is a few minutes long, I believe. The single take scene in Season 3 — you can't really call it a "fight scene" because it pauses in the middle to have some dialogue, but it's all in one take, with many, many fights — takes a total of, I believe, eleven minutes. With no cuts. At all. The showrunner didn't think they would be able to do it, but they ended up doing it perfectly, so he even lightened up the shot in post so that people could tell there weren't any cuts.

Shame the movie's so terrible.
Blasphemy! Punisher: War Zone is a masterpiece! What other movie could possibly include Frank shooting someone with a rocket launcher or this iconic scene:

Edited by alliterator on Jun 14th 2019 at 7:17:32 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#103787: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:52:17 AM

An article by Charles-Pulliam-Moore of io9 about how important it would be for the upcoming Falcon & Winter Soldier t.v. series to discuss race.

The circumstances of Sam becoming Captain America in Marvel’s Cinematic Universe are drastically different than the comics, but the development is significant all the same because it comes at a time when this franchise is meant to be changing, from both within and from the outside. With the first main phase of the MCU out of the way, a new, more diverse generation of heroes are being elevated to positions of prominence in films and series like Falcon & Winter Soldier.

But in order for these projects to really feel like thoughtfully-crafted narratives, they have to address some of the more evident realities their characters are dealing with. In this instance, it’s the fact that old white Captain America’s out of the game and Sam’s ready to make the title his own. What exactly does that mean to the character and the world around him? How might his experiences running around in red, white, and blue be different from his predecessor’s?

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#103788: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:01:17 AM

“The Daily Bugle reports: The Falcon (#NotMyCaptainAmerica) was seen wearing a tan suit!!”

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#103789: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:02:35 AM

[up]A William Burnside arc seems more plausible given that concept. The idea that people respond better to a more “conventional” looking Cap irregardless of his character.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103790: Jun 14th 2019 at 10:05:52 AM

wild mass guessWilliam Burnside will be played by Chris Pine.wild mass guess

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#103791: Jun 14th 2019 at 3:34:37 PM

Watching the original Iron Man on T.V.

Man, isn't it funny to remember this movie came out around the time Civil War had been a thing?

Tony was possibly the most popular and least popular marvel character at the same time.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#103792: Jun 14th 2019 at 3:40:35 PM

[up] To be fair, I've heard that the movie had a bit of a knock-on effect on Tony's characterization in the comics. Namely that pre-2008 he was a mostly serious and wasn't as flippant, while post-2008 he had the sense of humor of movie Tony.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103793: Jun 14th 2019 at 3:44:54 PM

No, Tony definitely had a sense of humor pre-Iron Man movie, it just wasn't as pronounced.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103794: Jun 14th 2019 at 3:51:19 PM

He was always witty and snarky but it was less pronounced and moreso on the vein of a drier, sardonic "rich man's wit". For a very immediate example, Iron Man: Enter the Mandarin was released one year before the film and it was basically a comic book remake and retelling of sorts of the original Iron Man's Mandarin arc in Tales of Suspense by Stan Lee, circa 1964. This story, which is a throwback to IM's earlier days (and lifts several lines from the original story), already has Stark spending most of his confrontations with the Mandarin being acidic as Hell. It's just, again, a lot drier and less pop-culture oriented.

Like, first line out of his mouth against the Mandarin in that story: "Your hospitality leaves a lot to be desired, Mandarin." (after nearly being killed by his security a handful of times).

Edited by Gaon on Jun 14th 2019 at 4:01:49 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#103795: Jun 14th 2019 at 3:59:36 PM

1954? Iron Man had't been created yet.

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#103796: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:00:49 PM

I remember watching that movie.

Yeah Tony's wit was a less....... cheery compared to today.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103798: Jun 14th 2019 at 4:14:29 PM

There’s a baseline of joking and quipping marvel characters most tend to have

It’s even lampshaded in a She Hulk comic with MAN ELEPHANT wondering why he’s making so many jokes when he’s not usually like that and decides it’s just a coping strategy

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#103799: Jun 14th 2019 at 7:13:08 PM

Just rewatched Spiderman: Homecoming with the family.

Honestly, I'm still not massively hot on the film as a whole. I think this is my favourite version of Spiderman and I love the Vulture and his crew. But the rest of the plot feels very... blah. I found my attention drifting a bit, I don't find it especially funny (it has it's moments though) and I don't really care for any of Peter's supporting cast.

It's funny. It's a movie with a great protagonist and a great antagonist. But it kinda makes me feel a movie can't always be carried just on those two things.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 14th 2019 at 2:14:35 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#103800: Jun 14th 2019 at 7:23:09 PM

So, we all know it's gonna be a while before any sort of X-Men movie is made for the MCU, since their schedule's pretty full up. But what X-Men characters would you like to see make minor, supporting roles in other heroes' movies before the X-Men proper are introduced?

I think it'd be fun if one of these movies had the heroes clashing/working with a British secret agent who, for most of the movie, is referred to simply as "Agent Braddock". Comic fans might figure out that she's someone important, but most movie goers wouldn't realize it until near the end, when she suddenly reveals psychic energy blade powers.

Edited by RavenWilder on Jun 14th 2019 at 7:31:42 AM


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