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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103726: Jun 12th 2019 at 4:14:37 PM

Escapee Loki is gone. The show is not his show, nor is he going to pop up as the newest Guardian of the Galaxy. As soon as he does, I'll be happy to eat my words.
Ahem: "Fans probed about other loose ends, such as Loki's escape with the Space Stone following the Battle of New York. McFeely said the scene "offered possibilities" to other writers."

If that timeline was immediately cut off and Loki's escape thus never happened, there is no way it would have "offered possibilities" to other writers.

Edited by alliterator on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:29:44 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#103727: Jun 12th 2019 at 4:51:34 PM

Alternative Loki could play the role of "Old Loki", as a potential future for the protagonist.

1975 Loki: So you're the future me?

Old Loki: Technically yes, but considering that there are several potential timelines, I am not at the same time.

1975 Loki: And what is my best possible future?

Old Loki: I would say the 2.014 divergent. In the others, you die strangled or you become me.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 12th 2019 at 5:12:54 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103728: Jun 12th 2019 at 7:21:30 PM

...This is why I hate Time Travel.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103729: Jun 12th 2019 at 7:24:13 PM

Bring in the Exiles.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103730: Jun 12th 2019 at 7:43:44 PM

Oh geez, time travel and alternate universes?

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103731: Jun 12th 2019 at 7:47:06 PM

That way the only way to make sense of things is with a flow-chart.

Plus I’m rather attached to the idea of the Jerky Ultimates showing up as villains.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 12th 2019 at 7:47:44 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#103732: Jun 12th 2019 at 7:54:06 PM

I want the Squadron Supreme!

My various fanfics.
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103733: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:09:05 PM

Yeah! Hyperion could be played by Henry Cavill, Nighthawk by Ben Affleck, Power Princess by Gal Gadot!

... Why are you looking at me like that?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103734: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:20:56 PM

Yeah! Hyperion could be played by Henry Cavill, Nighthawk by Ben Affleck, Power Princess by Gal Gadot!
Is it bad that I actually really want this? But, like, I want them to make a Squadron Supreme movie that's actually good.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103735: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:31:16 PM

You could do something no other superhero movies with the Squadron Supreme are doing if you adapt the maxiseries superheroes attempt to fix the world, accidentally a dystopia

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#103736: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:39:15 PM

I did, genuinely, suggest Cavill and Affleck for Hyperion and Nighthawk respectively the last time this came up. And Nathan Fillion as Doc Spectrum, obviously. Although given that Cavill has said he was always a giant Batman fanboy growing up, I could see the humor in using him for Nighthawk and someone else, maybe Routh, for Hyperion.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103737: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:40:59 PM

Wait isn't Nighthawk a black guy?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#103738: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:41:51 PM

He is in the Supreme Power universe. In most other continuities, he's been white. And, honestly, I don't even know if they could do the Supreme Power Nighthawk Justice, especially the part about him being racist himself.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103739: Jun 12th 2019 at 8:43:19 PM

Wait isn't Nighthawk a black guy?
In the original Squadron Supreme, he was white, but in JMS's reboot Supreme Power, he was black. Funnily enough, both versions of the character eventually found there way to Earth 616. Original Nighthawk joined the Defenders, while Supreme Power Nighthawk had his own short-lived book and eventually joined Occupy Avengers before being killed by Hydra.

Yes, there was a book called Occupy Avengers. It was a good book saddled with a crappy name.

Edited by alliterator on Jun 12th 2019 at 8:44:14 AM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#103741: Jun 13th 2019 at 6:53:04 AM

Ahem: "Fans probed about other loose ends, such as Loki's escape with the Space Stone following the Battle of New York. Mc Feely said the scene "offered possibilities" to other writers."

If that timeline was immediately cut off and Loki's escape thus never happened, there is no way it would have "offered possibilities" to other writers.

Two words isn't much of a quote. This article has larger, less cherry-picked quotations. Regarding the timeline, they had this to say.

“I am very fond of the idea that he went back because we say in the movie–the Ancient One says when you take out the stones, that’s when alternate timelines start. It’s not when you go back and step on a butterfly–it’s not Back to the Future. So Steve has gone back and put all the stones back. That means there’s only one timeline and then he goes and gets together with Peggy and just lives forward in that timeline, meaning, theoretically–if what I’m saying is true–that there were two Captan Americas–two Steve Rogers during that time. Only for the vast majority of that time, one of them was frozen in the ice. So there was now a Steve Rogers operating in a timeline where there wasn’t one. I realizes it raises difficult questions, like wouldn’t he have stopped the Kennedy assassination… I don’t have to write that. We just wanted to see Steve and Peggy dance.”

That's not ambiguous. There is only one timeline, straight from the horse's mouth.

Here, incidentally, is the full Loki quote.

“We knew when we did that, it offered some possibilities to anyone who wanted possibilities.”

So they're basically saying that they knew, writing the scene, that other writers might come in with their own idea for what became of Escaped Loki. But that's about it.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#103742: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:17:08 AM

And time travel is alternate timelines. Straight from the horses mouth too.

Tobias, really, you need to stop.

We've gone pages telling you how the movie also completely supports the Directors interpretation and that you've been taking the movie dialog out of context to support your own reading in exclusivity.

And I'm sick of it already.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#103743: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:23:34 AM

Oh man, has anyone seen this edit of Infinity War trailer?

I personally liked the original trailer's music far too much, but I think this is cool too.[tup]

Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103744: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:25:10 AM

I've been completely ignoring all of Tobias's posts for the last... 10 pages? Possibly more. The false claims about the movies' supposed validation of Thanos and the misunderstanding of the film's time travel which is only really ever undermined in Steve's ending are really tiring with the ridiculous level of Bias Steamroller needed to justify them, on top of the arguments about how insanely wrong Steve supposedly is.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 13th 2019 at 10:27:08 AM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#103745: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:27:15 AM

We're on what now?

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#103746: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:27:19 AM

Y'all can personally attack me all you want, but when you're claiming that the writers of the film do not understand how the mechanics in the film that they wrote function, I have a hard time believing that the problem is me.

It is generally my policy to not respond to posts consisting entirely of "You suck, dude", but I did want to lay that out there. You are not arguing with my interpretation on this. You are arguing with Markus and McFeely's interpretation of their movie that they wrote.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 13th 2019 at 8:30:01 AM

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#103747: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:31:53 AM

[up]x4

OMG, that was fantastic. It never ceases to amaze me what some fan with a keen eye for editing can acomplish from a bunch of random footage.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#103748: Jun 13th 2019 at 7:34:58 AM

The same guy did similar editing of Civil War trailer in the style of Mission Impossible Fallout trailer, which is also awesome.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103749: Jun 13th 2019 at 8:05:33 AM

Personally I don’t place much stock in the writers’ most recent claims considering saying Steve made a Stable Time Loop actively contradicts the in-film rule that you can’t change the past. But regardless, there isn’t a need to blame it all on other tropers. These are questions raised by the film all over the Internet, not endemic to just a few folks here.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 13th 2019 at 8:08:14 AM

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#103750: Jun 13th 2019 at 8:18:12 AM

A) it's polite to drop something if multiple people ask you to drop it.

B) personal attacks, whether as asides or direct responses, are not acceptable. If you think someone is being out of line, holler it.


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