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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103701: Jun 12th 2019 at 9:02:15 AM

The Marvel 1602-verse was caused by Captain America escaping a Bad Future where Kilgrave took over the world.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#103702: Jun 12th 2019 at 9:16:44 AM

For skye....is weird, she have change so much she is almost a diferent chararter, specially since everyone call her daisy or quake now(in fact i joker she need to get a new nickname every season).

but I will said that ward was lame as villian and I would prefer fitz be the traitor, if anything because evil fitz is batshit terrifying as one.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#103703: Jun 12th 2019 at 10:45:19 AM

I think Kilgrave might like the idea of ruling the world, but he's smart enough to know his limits.

Sure, he could walk into Stark Industries and take control of Iron Man, then have him assemble the Avengers and take control of all them, and then do the same to a bunch of world leaders. But he'd need to keep reissuing his orders to them every twelve hours, otherwise his control would wear off and they'd be free to plot and retaliate against him. Over the long term, that's just not practical, at least not with so many people. He was able to keep Jessica enslaved for a year, but only because he was willing to be with her almost 24/7 that entire time.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103704: Jun 12th 2019 at 11:38:04 AM

There's also the matter that his powers likely wouldn't work on Vision, or any superhero wearing a hermetic suit like Iron Man, War Machine, and Ant-Man.

All it takes is one of them to be immune to his powers, realize what he's doing to everyone else, and blow his head off. Sure, he could try and use the other heroes as bodyguards, but he's still a single point of failure that'll bring everything crumbling down if they manage to squeeze even one laser blast through to him.

Kilgrave knows he can get away with being a monster at a street level, and so just indulges his hedonistic desires there without getting too ambitious. He probably doesn't even have higher aspirations than that anyway.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 12th 2019 at 2:39:27 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103705: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:08:48 PM

Doublepost, but...

This is probably not true but it would be hilarious if it was. (Minor Endgame spoilers)

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#103706: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:11:47 PM

No, it's true. I remember that being brought up before in a different interview. Thanos's double-bladed sword is, indeed, based on the rotor from the Thanoscopter.

Which is amazing and I love it. It's a great way of incorporating the meme without breaking the film's tone or storytelling flow.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 1:12:47 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103707: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:16:44 PM

Indeed. Truly amazing.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#103708: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:17:13 PM

I do not know if this was already mentioned, but apparently the Loki series takes place in 1975.

They can introduce that human woman who detects lies.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 12th 2019 at 12:18:07 PM

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#103709: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:22:23 PM

I remember hearing something about that before. I didn't know it was going to be the 70's specifically, but I heard Loki's series would be a prequel about his interactions with Midgard across the span of human history or something like that.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#103710: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:39:02 PM

A character that could be used in several series, would be Amora.

In the loki series, she can play the role of Sidekick, while in Sif and Scarlet Witch she would be a major antagonist.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103711: Jun 12th 2019 at 12:40:48 PM

They can introduce that human woman who detects lies.
God, if they base it on Loki: Agent of Asgard, I will love it to death.

Also, we don't know if it's all going to take place in the '70s, but one scene is certainly set in 1975 (there is a marquee for Jaws behind Loki).

Edited by alliterator on Jun 12th 2019 at 12:41:39 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#103712: Jun 12th 2019 at 1:54:37 PM

So, this is probably not going to follow the antics of the Loki who got his hands on the Tesseract. Unless Loki got his hands on the Eye of Agamotto afterwards, but the press release says it's a prequel. So, I dunno...

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#103713: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:13:28 PM

It was never going to. That Loki doesn't exist. The Mind Gem was returned to the exact second in time that it was taken from, so the timeline was prevented from branching.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:14:29 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103714: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:14:17 PM

[up] Unless Steve was able to stop that Loki for immediately escaping, that's still a branched timeline.

And we still don't know anything about the show. It could be about that escaped Loki for all we know.

Edited by alliterator on Jun 12th 2019 at 3:14:42 AM

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#103715: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:16:43 PM

Loki did not leave the timeline, nor is he an Infinity Gem. So his escape doesn't count for anything. There is no timeline branch on account of Steve's return trip, and thus his escape never happened.

Notably, the writers and directors cannot agree on how the film's temporal mechanics work. But what really matters in this case is Kevin Feige, who refuses to even get involved in the question. So any way you slice it, the "branches" from Endgame aren't likely to ever come up again.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:18:55 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103716: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:24:28 PM

Loki did not leave the timeline, nor is he an Infinity Gem. So his escape doesn't count for anything.
Once again: removing an Infinity Stone isn't the only way to branch a timeline. They did it on Agents of SHIELD without an Infinity Stone.

Also, we have no idea where Loki went. He could suddenly show up in Thor 4 for all we know.

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#103717: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:24:59 PM

I thought they later said in an interview that all the time travel destinations are the birthpoints of new timelines, Infinity Stones or not?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103718: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:25:51 PM

Notably, the writers and directors cannot agree on how the film's temporal mechanics work. But what really matters in this case is Kevin Feige, who refuses to even get involved in the question. So any way you slice it, the "branches" from Endgame aren't likely to ever come up again.
Except this wrong: the writers and directors cannot agree on how Captain America's ending works, not on the timeline branching. Both of them agree that the timeline branches due to time travel. Markus and McFeely just believe that Cap created a Stable Time Loop, too, while the Russos believe he jumped over from a parallel timeline he created.

Edited by alliterator on Jun 12th 2019 at 3:26:41 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#103719: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:31:44 PM

Ya know while he is a dick here, its nice to know that there's a Hank Pym that is doing well in the modicum relative sense of having a loving family and close enough friends.

Cause this is apparently Hank's most recent fate in the comics:

After spending time merged with Ultron as a murderous techno-organic abomination, his soul was yanked into the Soul Stone where it was devoured by a spider monster killing Hank deader than dead while he had a vivid hallucination that he actually had friends who cared about him.

MCU Hank has it way easy compared to his comic self.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 12th 2019 at 3:32:13 AM

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#103720: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:34:52 PM

Once again: removing an Infinity Stone isn't the only way to branch a timeline. They did it on Agents of SHIELD without an Infinity Stone.

Also, we have no idea where Loki went. He could suddenly show up in Thor 4 for all we know.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a great show. But it'll be a cold day in Mephisto's realm before anyone making these films cares even the slightest bit about what happens in it. It's basically B-canon; what happens in the films is canon on the show, but what happens in the show is completely and utterly irrelevant to the films.

In Endgame, the timeline branches because the Infinity Gems, the things that create time, are removed from it. Returning the Infinity Gems to the exact second they were taken prevents the timeline from branching, because there's never a moment when the Gems are missing.

Which is what Steve did. Erego, the timeline never branched and Loki's escape never happened. The fact that some guy wasn't erased from existence when they changed history in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season five doesn't change the way the rules laid out in Endgame work. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. does not now, nor has it ever mattered to the films' continuity.

Escapee Loki is gone. The show is not his show, nor is he going to pop up as the newest Guardian of the Galaxy. As soon as he does, I'll be happy to eat my words. But as it is now, those branches don't exist.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:35:44 AM

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#103721: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:38:15 PM

... I made a huge mistake bringing up timelines again...

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#103722: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:38:54 PM

multiple timelines you guise!

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#103723: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:39:48 PM

Does anyone have the interview where they talk about branching timelines?

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#103724: Jun 12th 2019 at 3:52:07 PM

Let’s talk about how eager Tony was to give his past self a heart attack. evil grin

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 12th 2019 at 3:52:37 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103725: Jun 12th 2019 at 4:06:51 PM

Tony's "meh" attitude to being in the past and seeing himself back then was surprisingly great, especially since I got the impression that the Tony of only a few movies ago would have had a very different reaction. The Tony of Ultron days definitely would have made a crack about how brilliant and expensive the stuff Scott's tampering with is or something.

Come to think of it, Tony comes off a bit less as "braggy and obnoxious just for the sake of it" and more "braggy and obnoxious where it's warranted" after those years of mellowing out. He doesn't even really rub the "Scott turned into a baby" thing in Steve's face too much.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:07:20 AM


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