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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I think the tier doesn't really matter because the MCU has done more with less and less with more
Iron Man himself was a lesser regarded IP. Thats why Marvel still had the movie rights to him.
Edited by Bocaj on Jun 6th 2019 at 2:10:03 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersFor the nothing my opinion is worth I'd recommend Annihilus or Mole Man. Either really facilitates the exploration angle.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersForgot about him. I think he's somewhere in the same tier as Mole Man and The Frightful Four.
Still, I throw my lot in with a combo of Mad Thinker, Trapster and/or The Red Ghost and his Super-Apes for a first movie. They could literally borrow Thinker's introduction in Earth's Mightiest Heroes:
(Mad Thinker furiously scribbling complex math equations in his cell)
"Who are you?"
"I'm just a thinker some call mad."
Of course, my original suggestion was Mole Man, so I throw my lot with him as well. He's a fun villain.
Edited by Gaon on Jun 6th 2019 at 11:19:28 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Reading the description I'm very certain it's satire parodying The Last Jedi's response. It's a little too on-the-nose, plus there's the fact that they describe themselves as a conservative Christian, a group that doesn't often concern itself with popular mass media in this fashion, or do they openly play well with Men's Rights types.
I feel like the FF's origin story should not be skipped, for one key reason: Ben Grimm.
While the rest of the team mostly think their powers are awesome, and let them do more of the things they'd want to do anyway, Ben's got a much more love/hate relationship with being the Thing. And I'm not sure if the audience would have the necessary emotional investment in that if they never got to see Ben pre-Thing.
Flashbacks can solve the Ben Grimm dramatic. Though I would like it even better if the first movie could be about him considering meeting someone he knew from the past again and being afraid of the reaction. In a way I don't want to know how he looked beforehand because it shouldn't matter.
Regarding the meninist cut: If it is a joke, it will backfire, because those Anti-SJ Ws will take it serious and make another bunch of vids about it, which will give them more clicks. You know what WOULD have been funny? Doing a Men-free cut. Because this one would boil down to just a handful of scenes and make a very clear point about how ridiculous the complains about the presence of the female character truly are.
If you make a satire, but people can't tell if you're serious or not, you've failed at making a good satire. Especially when it's indistinguishable from the real thing.
You can do Ben Grimm sad about rocks scene without excessive origining or flashbacks.
Have stuff like him breaking things accidentally or being too big and such things.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThis has gotten handily off topic, but yeah, it’s satire. The fact that it was viewed as possibly sincere shows just how messed up our view is of everything, and people genuinely believe even the most extreme viewpoints. We can’t calm down because it feels like even the stuff we watch to calm down is caught in a perpetual rage making machine.
Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 6th 2019 at 5:06:57 AM
Have stuff like him breaking things accidentally or being too big and such things
Ben isn’t tragic just because he doesn’t like being a rock. He’s tragic because of his lost humanity.
If you’re not going to show that humanity, then giving the idea lip service is pointless, if not outright obstructive writing. It’s a perfect example of a situation where Show, Don't Tell is important.
The first Fantastic Four movie may have been crap, but all the parts with Ben in it are genuinely fantastic. The character has a lot of heart in him: either give that heart justice, or don’t do it at all, but don’t half ass it.
I disagree with the notion that we have to spend a lot of time with human Ben to get that point across.
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You do if he’s going to be a principal character, because that’s how a character arc works. In the older movie, Ben was one of movie’s protagonists, so his story got a lot of attention.
It sounds more like you envision Ben as a side character while the actual story focuses on other members of the Four, which is fine -if that’s it, then he can occasionally be “sad about rocks” and not really have a lot of substance to him. But like I said, either do the story or don’t. Half assing is just a bad idea for a plotline that would has as much effect on the characters.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2019 at 2:35:47 AM

I'd love if the MCU did the Fantastic Four focusing on the lesser rogues of F4's (rather tepid, overall) rogues gallery. The main triad are Doctor Doom, Super-Skrull and Galactus. Following just behind is Annihilus. And in the third tier is Mole Man and The Frightful Four.
Below those is where you really get into the bottom of the barrel of wild shit of Paste-Pot-Pete/The Trapster, Red Ghost and his Super Apes and Puppet Master.
Super-Skrull, Galactus and Doom are neat, but I want to save them for later. What I really want is a MCU movie featuring reimaginations of the guys in the third and fourth tiers and the Fantastic Four having to fight The Mad Thinker and The Trapster in their devious schemes in their debut film.
Of course, post-credit scene probably teases one of the main triad I mentioned, but just give me a entire film of the F4 having to fight guys like RED GHOST...AND HIS SUPER-APES!.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."