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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103401: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:08:28 AM

I'd love if the MCU did the Fantastic Four focusing on the lesser rogues of F4's (rather tepid, overall) rogues gallery. The main triad are Doctor Doom, Super-Skrull and Galactus. Following just behind is Annihilus. And in the third tier is Mole Man and The Frightful Four.

Below those is where you really get into the bottom of the barrel of wild shit of Paste-Pot-Pete/The Trapster, Red Ghost and his Super Apes and Puppet Master.

Super-Skrull, Galactus and Doom are neat, but I want to save them for later. What I really want is a MCU movie featuring reimaginations of the guys in the third and fourth tiers and the Fantastic Four having to fight The Mad Thinker and The Trapster in their devious schemes in their debut film.

Of course, post-credit scene probably teases one of the main triad I mentioned, but just give me a entire film of the F4 having to fight guys like RED GHOST...AND HIS SUPER-APES!.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103402: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:09:37 AM

I think the tier doesn't really matter because the MCU has done more with less and less with more

Iron Man himself was a lesser regarded IP. Thats why Marvel still had the movie rights to him.

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 6th 2019 at 2:10:03 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103403: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:14:04 AM

[up][up]How about Molecule Man?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103404: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:15:57 AM

For the nothing my opinion is worth I'd recommend Annihilus or Mole Man. Either really facilitates the exploration angle.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#103405: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:16:55 AM

NO

he's annoyingly over powered

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 6th 2019 at 6:17:12 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103406: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:18:41 AM

Forgot about him. I think he's somewhere in the same tier as Mole Man and The Frightful Four.

Still, I throw my lot in with a combo of Mad Thinker, Trapster and/or The Red Ghost and his Super-Apes for a first movie. They could literally borrow Thinker's introduction in Earth's Mightiest Heroes:

(Mad Thinker furiously scribbling complex math equations in his cell)

"Who are you?"

"I'm just a thinker some call mad."

Of course, my original suggestion was Mole Man, so I throw my lot with him as well. He's a fun villain.

Edited by Gaon on Jun 6th 2019 at 11:19:28 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103407: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:19:39 AM

Yeah, and they do best with villains they pick because they are in the mood for them instead of those which seem to be there because someone had the feeling said villain HAD to be used.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103408: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:25:02 AM

I feel Red Ghost would work if they want to go the "villain gets his powers from the same source as the hero" route. If they have the Four be relics from 60s, it'd be interesting to have a villain from the Soviet Union. Plus Super-Apes. That is amazing.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103410: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:32:05 AM

This is as bad as when I watched Internet Historians video of that Rainfurrest con where fetishists came to the con while wearing full diapers.

Or the mess that was Fyre Festival

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 6th 2019 at 11:32:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#103411: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:41:21 AM

[up][up]Wasn’t that a parody that people picked up as actually being sincere? Well...we do live in the same world as a straight pride parade so maybe satire is just dead.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103412: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:42:54 AM

Reading the description I'm very certain it's satire parodying The Last Jedi's response. It's a little too on-the-nose, plus there's the fact that they describe themselves as a conservative Christian, a group that doesn't often concern itself with popular mass media in this fashion, or do they openly play well with Men's Rights types.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#103413: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:55:45 AM

I feel like the FF's origin story should not be skipped, for one key reason: Ben Grimm.

While the rest of the team mostly think their powers are awesome, and let them do more of the things they'd want to do anyway, Ben's got a much more love/hate relationship with being the Thing. And I'm not sure if the audience would have the necessary emotional investment in that if they never got to see Ben pre-Thing.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103414: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:31:14 PM

Flashbacks can solve the Ben Grimm dramatic. Though I would like it even better if the first movie could be about him considering meeting someone he knew from the past again and being afraid of the reaction. In a way I don't want to know how he looked beforehand because it shouldn't matter.

Regarding the meninist cut: If it is a joke, it will backfire, because those Anti-SJ Ws will take it serious and make another bunch of vids about it, which will give them more clicks. You know what WOULD have been funny? Doing a Men-free cut. Because this one would boil down to just a handful of scenes and make a very clear point about how ridiculous the complains about the presence of the female character truly are.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103415: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:37:00 PM

If you make a satire, but people can't tell if you're serious or not, you've failed at making a good satire. Especially when it's indistinguishable from the real thing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103416: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:38:08 PM

You can do Ben Grimm sad about rocks scene without excessive origining or flashbacks.

Have stuff like him breaking things accidentally or being too big and such things.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103417: Jun 6th 2019 at 1:52:23 PM

YMMV as I personally found it a little funny with the phrase Christian Alt-Right being a huge clue to its satirical nature, given that much of the alt-right is fueled by New Atheists and scientific racists types who hate Christianity.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103418: Jun 6th 2019 at 1:54:37 PM

Huh I thought the alt-right’s were a religious bunch too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#103419: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:04:18 PM

This has gotten handily off topic, but yeah, it’s satire. The fact that it was viewed as possibly sincere shows just how messed up our view is of everything, and people genuinely believe even the most extreme viewpoints. We can’t calm down because it feels like even the stuff we watch to calm down is caught in a perpetual rage making machine.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 6th 2019 at 5:06:57 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103420: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:17:42 PM

[up][up] Religious folks, even the most fanatical, would could as the "regular" Right rather than the Alt-Right.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 6th 2019 at 5:28:46 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103421: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:23:37 PM

You can do Ben Grimm sad about rocks scene without excessive origining or flashbacks.

Have stuff like him breaking things accidentally or being too big and such things

Ben isn’t tragic just because he doesn’t like being a rock. He’s tragic because of his lost humanity.

If you’re not going to show that humanity, then giving the idea lip service is pointless, if not outright obstructive writing. It’s a perfect example of a situation where Show, Don't Tell is important.

The first Fantastic Four movie may have been crap, but all the parts with Ben in it are genuinely fantastic. The character has a lot of heart in him: either give that heart justice, or don’t do it at all, but don’t half ass it.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103422: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:29:33 PM

I disagree with the notion that we have to spend a lot of time with human Ben to get that point across.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103423: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:29:39 PM

???? Ben didn't lose his humanity. The people who treat him like he did have.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103424: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:30:12 PM

I enjoyed the first Fantastic Four as a schlock film. It's corny and full of holes but if you're just interested in a good time it's not bad.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103425: Jun 6th 2019 at 2:32:53 PM

[up][up][up]You do if he’s going to be a principal character, because that’s how a character arc works. In the older movie, Ben was one of movie’s protagonists, so his story got a lot of attention.

It sounds more like you envision Ben as a side character while the actual story focuses on other members of the Four, which is fine -if that’s it, then he can occasionally be “sad about rocks” and not really have a lot of substance to him. But like I said, either do the story or don’t. Half assing is just a bad idea for a plotline that would has as much effect on the characters.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 6th 2019 at 2:35:47 AM


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