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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103376: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:12:51 AM

[up] Obviously, that pitch won't be used, but that doesn't mean that Reed won't be able to make a different version of his FF movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103377: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:40:32 AM

I just want the Fantastic 4 to finally being a family of explorers instead of superheroes. And there is now a LOT to explore in the MCU, from space, to different realms, to alternate realities.

It would also be nice if they were updating the family dynamic to how the family dynamic would look like nowadays.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103378: Jun 6th 2019 at 12:48:49 AM

I wanna see Reed Richards with those white hair things.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#103379: Jun 6th 2019 at 1:32:04 AM

I hope it starts with Reed and Sue already married. Everyone knows it's going to happen eventually so might as well skip the whole Will They or Won't They rigmarole and focus on the family stuff.

Edited by LordVatek on Jun 6th 2019 at 4:33:08 AM

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103380: Jun 6th 2019 at 4:06:30 AM

And skip the origin story this time.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103381: Jun 6th 2019 at 4:55:09 AM

I think it's funny that a guy with the last name of 'Reed' is going to make a Fantastic Four movie if the rumors are true.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103382: Jun 6th 2019 at 5:33:26 AM

Well, we once had a guy named "webb" making Spiderman stories.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103383: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:02:50 AM

Some really beautiful shots from the MCU.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103384: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:19:47 AM

If the setup is that the Fantastic Four are returning to Earth after a long time exploring or missing there’s an easy way to get their origin out there in like a minute of screentime

Have a museum or something with a presentation of the origin

Really old and kind of hokey with bad hammy acting that sums up the origin, maybe even make an animated comic version of the original

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#103385: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:40:02 AM

Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

I wouldn't want to skip the origin entirely 'cause, like, this is not a Spider-Man situation. The Fantastic Four have had a few movies, but those movies are universally terrible. I think it's folly to be like, "Why do I need to explain who these people are? Did you NOT watch Rise of the Silver Surfer? Or what about that universally-beloved cinema classic, Fant4stic?! Come on, people, get real."

The Fantastic Four have never had a good movie. As such, the less this movie depends on people remembering their past film excursions, the better. Marvel needs to start from scratch and just do it properly, introducing people to their version of the characters in a way that gets the audience invested here and now.

That said, [up] is a good way to do it. It gets the origin out of the way early on. Having the First Family lost in space this whole time avoids any questions of "Where were they during X?" regarding the MCU's history.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 6th 2019 at 8:41:16 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#103386: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:50:40 AM

I could do with the FF having been a famous team of explorers who went on a experiment during the 60's and are just now coming back as fishes out of temporal water. Because you can never have enough fishes out of temporal water (we had one out of the 40's, one out of the 80's. we need 60's and 70's!).

I'd also honestly not make Doom their first villain. I'd use Mole-Man.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103387: Jun 6th 2019 at 7:58:41 AM

The origin is not THAT complicated. They had an accident in space. There, done. It's something which can be done in a quick flashback, there is no need to go through the complete "discover our powers" process AGAIN!

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#103388: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:40:07 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#103389: Jun 6th 2019 at 8:57:45 AM

RE: Peyton Reed and the F4: I'm not opposing the idea, but it does raise the question as to how they'll establish Doctor Doom.

Maybe it'll be an inverse to how they got Monica Rambeau in Captain Marvel? Namely maybe the F4 were friends with one of Victor's parents (his mom?), but then stuff happens and while they get lost in space, he grows up to hate them with a passion?

Or maybe after so many F4 movies that used Doom (i.e. all of them), they'll set Doom up to be someone else's bad guy?

Wow, the possibilities are endless, eh?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 6th 2019 at 11:58:25 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#103390: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:03:07 AM

Doom as ally and friend of the Fantastic Four who keeps getting sinister villain flag moments but the trigger is never pulled on it

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Disasturbator
#103391: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:23:35 AM

"Why are wearing that mask and cape Mr.Doom?

"I have this urge sometimes you know?"

"fair enough"

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103392: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:26:32 AM

"On, no, it's just that they're terribly comfortable. I think everyone will be wearing one in the future"

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#103393: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:29:24 AM

They should set up Doom as a Greater-Scope Villain. Use the Fantastic Four movie to build momentum for a confrontation in the next Avengers crossover. The same way Guardians of the Galaxy built up Thanos.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 6th 2019 at 10:29:42 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
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#103396: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:38:26 AM

Incredibly obvious grandiose villains.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#103397: Jun 6th 2019 at 9:45:04 AM

And one whose evil schemes keep helping people despite hom trying to be EVIL!

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 6th 2019 at 9:45:23 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103398: Jun 6th 2019 at 10:28:18 AM

I'd like to see Doom show up as someone else's villain. Since he's a king of a foreign country in the comics, I think it'd be cool if he shows up in the Black Panther sequel.

The legend has returned.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103399: Jun 6th 2019 at 10:37:30 AM

He has a fairly famous story about him going to war against Wakanda.

Of course it wasn't exactly written to be a balanced take since Doom gets Bast to agree that Doom is not only the absolute best but also the only hope for the future.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#103400: Jun 6th 2019 at 11:05:17 AM

I'm hoping Marvel avoids Doomwar or at the least do a in-name only adaptation because that was a terrible story.


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