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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103176: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:37:30 AM

I'd like to see Goose hacking up Nick Fury's eye at some point.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#103177: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:40:57 AM

I'm squeamish and losing something like means he probably lost a lot of blood

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103178: Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:19:12 AM

Goose didn’t eat it, he clawed it. Fury still has the eye in the socket. That’s a plot point in Winter Soldier

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 2nd 2019 at 2:19:23 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#103179: Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:43:39 AM

still damage to there is like on my list of nopes

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103180: Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:56:45 AM

Come to think of it, Dr. Strange would crossover very well with pretty much anybody in the MCU right now - I want Spider-Man because their crossovers have such history, but unlike most characters Strange is very adaptable just by himself.

One of the best things about being the resident magic themed hero is that "magical threats" can be loads of things without any real loss in threat level, because it's such a versatile concept. Any villain they fight - even if it's a Dr. Strange villain - can be tailored to whoever he's teaming up with so that the other party isn't reduced to supporting.

In the comics, for example, one of his teamups with Spidey involves a wizard/spirit/demon thing that's preying on inner city youth, directly impacting Peter who was a teacher at the time. But at the same time, he's got loads of huge, universe spanning villains who he could - say - team up with Captain Marvel to punch in the face. Or you could have him and T'Challa face Mephisto together. Etc.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:57:17 AM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#103181: Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:39:08 PM

Another thought about Ant-Man.

When Hank Pym said that Pym Particles/Ant-Man suit make Iron Man suit look like an adorable toy, I thought he was just being spiteful towards Stark.

Then I saw Giant-Man and I was like, "Holy shit he wasn't kidding."

And then in the Endgame, I was like: "Okay, I get it already, now you're just showing off." [lol]

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#103182: Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:52:22 PM

To be fair, he probably was being spiteful towards Tony.

I mean, it's Tony. The guy is a magnet for spite, and it's not unfounded either.

Plus, I'd argue that Tony's suits post Antman 1 were much better. Maybe he couldn't transform into a giant, but he's got plenty of firepower.

Hell, even Tony's suits before Antman let him (along side Thor and Hulk) do a large bulk of the heavy lifting during the Chitauri invasion.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#103183: Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:52:49 PM

As a side question to the above, have we ever seen a tie in comic or something that depicts Hank and Janet operating as superheroes during the Cold War? Because that's a really interesting piece of backstory for them that could be creatively fertile ground.

EDIT: Minor, but I think Hank doesn't like Tony mostly on the basis of his distrust of Howard. Of course, he probably also doesn't care for his handling of Ultron or the Sokovia Accords.

Edited by Aleistar on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:54:25 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#103184: Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:53:08 PM

Yeah, the Iron Man suit is cool but it's just fancy armor and guns. Ant-Man suit is exploiting molecular physics for its own ends.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103185: Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:57:11 PM

Funny thing that Hank has never even met Tony.

All his spite towards him is just past down from his interactions with his father Howard.

Tony has never even given Hank any thought or feelings.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#103186: Jun 2nd 2019 at 8:08:39 PM

The Iron Man armor and Ant-Man suit are different tools for different jobs

With the Ant-Man armor being a lot more specialized especially as the Iron Man armor got more and more modular

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103187: Jun 2nd 2019 at 8:16:01 PM

@Aleistar: Yup, there's one where Hank's doing a mission across the Berlin Wall and fights some HYDRA agents. Sadly, Janet's not involved. On the plus side, we do see Peggy.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:16:39 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103188: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:34:34 PM

Bah, as long as the Ant-man suit isn't a bleeding edge armour, Tony has Hank beat.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103189: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:38:12 PM

Tony's one of the most polarizing people in the Marvel universe (all of them). You either worship the guy or hate his guts.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103190: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:41:01 PM

And Hank Pym would be too if he wasn't such a recluse.

Seriously every other person we meet either hates Pym or not. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103191: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:42:22 PM

Only two people are shown to have gotten along with Hank in the MCU. And his daughter isn't one of them.

Nobody else can stand the man. For perfectly understandable reasons.

Edited by M84 on Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:42:44 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103192: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:43:59 PM

Hey that's where Tony beats him out. Tony's actually got charisma & charming social skills.

The only people who like Pym who aren't family is Scott & the 3 Stooges sorta.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:44:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103193: Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:01:03 PM

[up]And like I said, even his daughter was estranged from him for decades. To the point of helping to take his company away from him.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103194: Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:26:10 PM

I am not sure if Scott actually likes Hank either. It is more that he feels that he owes him. It's Hope he truly likes and whose opinion he is worried about.

Ironically Howard is one of the few people who didn't hate Hank. And he at least respected him.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103195: Jun 3rd 2019 at 12:37:08 AM

Well, at least Hank has Janet.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#103196: Jun 3rd 2019 at 12:50:30 AM

I wonder if Hank wouldn't have been that bad if she never disappeared.

Then again I'm sure he was still a major prick when she was still around so who knows maybe Janet would have gotten fed up with him too eventually. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103197: Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:38:31 AM

He certainly is a major prick when we see a younger version of him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#103198: Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:39:11 AM

It really does make you wonder why Janet married him in the first place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103199: Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:46:08 AM

People who are insufferable pricks to anyone but their loved ones certainly do exist.

Edited by Nightwire on Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:46:31 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103200: Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:01:37 AM

Hank openly admires how smart Janet is. Honestly, it is kind of difficult to find a man like this. So I can see what Janet sees in him. Nothing beats mutual appreciation and the desire to see your partner succeed in everything they do in a relationship.


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