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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103076: May 30th 2019 at 11:16:55 PM

Good idea on William Burnside being the villain of Falcon & Winter Soldier. He would totally be a MAGA asshole now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103077: May 31st 2019 at 12:15:01 AM

Deadline has an article about Captain Marvel:

https://deadline.com/2019/05/captain-marvel-leads-powerhouse-on-demand-surge-by-all-marvel-studios-titles-1202623713/

The part funny part sad thing is that they say that it is one of the most talked about movies currently. Well, yes, it is, but those are mostly the Anti-SJ Ws which STILL are onto it (honestly, they milked at least 20 new videos out of the f... deleted scene). Though I do think that due to them keeping the conversation going they kind of push the movie without really wanting to. I can imagine that some people watch the movie just because of them constantly complaining about it.

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#103078: May 31st 2019 at 1:05:25 AM

I'd love William Burnside as a villain of Falcon and Winter Soldier. That said, I don't know if he should be the main villain, or if he is the main villain, the sole villain. "A MAGA bad guy who takes on the mantle of Captain America, rejecting Sam as Cap" could be a great villain, but I think he would be best served in one of two ways.

One of those ways would be introducing him early in the season and having him serve as an obstacle before they can fight the real main villain. In this scenario, he's either sympathetic to the real main villain or he wants to take them down, but he wants to do it in a bad way and he doesn't care about the collateral damage.

A way he could work as the main villain would be for Sam and Bucky to be fighting supervillains throughout the season, but he's also fighting supervillains and he's openly challenging and antagonizing them, and it comes to a head when he tries to turn public perception against them.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 31st 2019 at 1:06:51 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103079: May 31st 2019 at 1:22:12 AM

I would like to see them doing something related to Bucky's time as Winter Soldier. There is so much to mine there.

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#103080: May 31st 2019 at 3:39:09 AM

Oh man, this is hilarious. [lol]

Basically, this is dialogue-driven, even shorter version of Honest Trailers. This vid didn't edit out all the closing comments, unfortunately.

Edited by dRoy on May 31st 2019 at 7:39:17 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#103081: May 31st 2019 at 3:48:08 AM

[up]x3 - People really, really hate the film and it feels like projecting at a certain point. As much as I disliked the deleted scene, it feels less like they’re talking about the film that came out and more about the one in their heads were Carol is a man hating lesbian that attacks people indiscriminately and preaches about her hatred of the GOP. There’s disliking a movie and then there’s projecting your own insecurities onto it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103082: May 31st 2019 at 4:28:29 AM

[up] They don't dislike the movie. They dislike everything which they perceive as "SJW". What they hate is the idea that somehow female characters "intrude" into their fandom and take something away from them. That we have been there all along and that they don't lose anything by making a little bit more room for other perspectives doesn't occur to them.

They just can't let go of Captain Marvel because it is the movie which proofed them wrong. The worst it could have done to them is to show everyone how toothless their pathetic rants actually are. If anything, they have ensured that the movie got more attention than it would have gotten otherwise.

I mean, there are even Anti-SJ Ws now which tell other Anti-SJ Ws to lay off, because it is just so pathetic.

There is also an interesting, well, void. Like, the moment the movie became available, there were fan-edits out there and suddenly all the Captain Marvel fans became visible. And telling off people intruding into "their" space in order to spread hatred.

Anyway, my purpose to post the article was more to show that Captain Marvel is still popular, even after Endgame. So hopefully we will get a sequel soon. Maybe by 2022? I hope that we will get a Black Panther movie in 2021.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#103083: May 31st 2019 at 4:56:40 AM

x5[up]

I was hesitant to mention the current political climate when I first proposed Burnside (the MCU wouldn't have the exact same political climate anyways), but yes it would certainly be very topical.

My personal preference would be for Burnside to start off at least looking like a hero, but go on a downward spiral that's nudged along by Zemo. The finale would then be a double confrontation where Sam fights Burnside, while Bucky goes after Zemo.

Sidenote: It occurs to me that Zemo doesn't necessarily know that Bucky had his Hydra programming removed. So perhaps he tries to reactivate it, seemingly succeeds...but only because Bucky was playing along until he got within punching distance of Zemo.

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#103084: May 31st 2019 at 6:31:42 AM

What deleted scene?

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#103085: May 31st 2019 at 6:36:57 AM

[up]The one where she attacks the biker who asks her to smile. At least in Terminator 2 the biker tried putting his cigarette out on Arnold, hence the ass beating.

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#103086: May 31st 2019 at 6:39:49 AM

That wasn’t deleted? I saw that scene when I saw the movie in theaters

I guess there was more to it that got left out. If I youtoobled the right scene it is kind of funny

Edited by Bocaj on May 31st 2019 at 9:42:01 AM

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#103087: May 31st 2019 at 6:47:15 AM

[up]In the theatre she just jacks his ride when he isn’t looking, which makes a lot more sense. She is trying to remain undercover.

If the bikers attacked her, then it would be a different story and most people would go “yeah, sure. Beat him up”. And even then it wouldn’t be as awesome as Terminator 2 because of the distinct lack of “Bad to the Bone.”

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#103088: May 31st 2019 at 6:47:49 AM

[up][up] In the theatrical version she just glares at the guy and steals his bike after he walks away. In the deleted alternate scene she nearly breaks the guy's wrist and strongarms him into handing over his keys.

Edited by Falrinn on May 31st 2019 at 9:48:11 AM

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#103089: May 31st 2019 at 6:54:14 AM

Folks just really wanna fight Robert Kazinsky, ya know? You hear him talk, then you have to fight him. Don’t worry, he gets paid for it.

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#103090: May 31st 2019 at 6:54:48 AM

Its funny how she asks if he’s going to smile but I see why it was deleted

For flow

Edited by Bocaj on May 31st 2019 at 9:55:22 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103091: May 31st 2019 at 7:01:07 AM

So be clear here, I prefer the theatrical version and am glad that they didn't use the deleted scene, but I also don't see the point to cry bloody murder over a deleted scene, because, well, it is a DELETED scene. It is not just not part of official canon, it isn't even optional canon before they decided to go for another version of it. Hence it is completely irrelevant if you don't like the scene because it is just an idea which was never used.

Naturally if you point that out, the answer is immediately "so you are okay with your hero committing grand theft auto" to which my answer is simply "well, considering that my favourite Avenger is Captain America, yeah, I am totally okay with them stealing cars - or bikes for that matter - when they are on a mission".

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#103092: May 31st 2019 at 7:12:44 AM

I'm pretty much like "whatever" about the deleted scene either way but I also wanna add that some of my favorites in the MCU like Peter Quill, Rocket and Thor, well, they didn't quite have the best of track records of being good people in the past.

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#103093: May 31st 2019 at 7:13:32 AM

They need to be butthurt over the deleted scene, though. It lets them keep being angry.

The thing about rage is that it's addictive. Anger feels good. Being angry is an empowering sensation. It feels like you're doing something, even if all you're doing is screaming into the void.

But it doesn't last. With any given subject, people run out of angry. It burns out. And when anger burns out, it feels terrible. Especially if you overreacted; then you're left with the sudden realization of how shitty you are as a person. A person can go from "RARMURDER" to "Jesus Christ what am I doing with my life" in an instant.

Anger is a hell of a drug.

The "solution", of course, is to stay angry. I mean, the real solution is to learn anger management techniques and try to avoid letting yourself turn into a frothing monster over a broken coffee cup. But to an anger junkie, the solution is to stay angry. That means finding new ways to be angry about the thing when you start losing that initial fire.

This is why controversies - both just and unjust - tend to get stupider the longer they go on. People run out of rage for the original controversy but they still want to be angry. So some new ideas start to circulate to stoke the fire with a fresh hit of rage. "Alice was needlessly mean to Bob in that scene" turns into "A coffee stain on Alice's shirt in that scene means that SHE'S ACTUALLY A THIEF YOU GUYS!" which in turn becomes "I think Alice might be a serial killer; look at how she was holding her coffee cup when she was being mean to Bob." Etc. etc.

Whatever it takes for another hit of rage.

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#103094: May 31st 2019 at 7:14:36 AM

anger is not the jedi way

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#103096: May 31st 2019 at 9:17:03 AM

I don't like Captain Marvel but not because of those reasons. I just found the lead and story boring and not charismatic, and needed to bounce of others to be interesting. *shrug*

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103097: May 31st 2019 at 9:20:57 AM

[up] Sure. But those people had already decided that the movie would be bad before they had even seen it. Plus, there is a difference between saying "this movie is bad" and saying "to me this movie is boring, but hey, other people seem to enjoy it".

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103098: May 31st 2019 at 9:49:03 PM

Some stuff about Zack Stentz's FF script that never was. Apparently, Fox hired him to write the script, but didn't tell Josh Trank, who decided to go with his own screenwriters.

According to Stentz, his version may have taken some liberties with the team's origin, but he still had pride in his work. "It was one of those hammer blows to our career at the time, even though we had gotten paid, because I was so freakin' proud of that script," Stentz continued. "It was how the Fantastic Four were almost the Fantastic Five except a young man named Victor Von Doom was just too damaged and f—-ed up to be part of them. It was a script I was very proud of. Josh Trank didn't wanna do it."

Meanwhile, Stentz's also said that Fox asked him to write a script with every superhero they had the rights to.

"My ex-partner and I, when we were working at Fox and we were working on X-Men: First Class, we did a secret movie for them that, I can't tell you what the plot was, but I can tell you that it used all of the characters, all of the Marvel characters that Fox had at the time in 2011," Stentz told Kevin Smith on his Fatman Beyond podcast. "It used the X-Men. It used the Fantastic Four. It used Daredevil. It used Deadpool. Daredevil was still at Fox at the time. We almost had Paul Greengrass directing it which would've been so cool but he had another project to do instead. It didn't end up going but it was a script I was really proud of and it would've been really good."
So we almost had the Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe, which would have been...something. They might have wanted to do it to keep the rights to Daredevil, which they lost in 2012.

Edited by alliterator on May 31st 2019 at 9:51:46 AM

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#103099: May 31st 2019 at 9:50:13 PM

And so the film tranked.

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#103100: May 31st 2019 at 10:07:47 PM

A lot of wasted work & ink there.

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