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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#103051: May 29th 2019 at 11:07:08 PM

So, why is Gambit "Gambit"? Is it poker vocabulary I'm not aware of?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#103053: May 30th 2019 at 2:27:00 AM

With the pager Fury used to contact Carol, I can understand Fury using it at the end of Infinity War because it'll probably be SHIELD tech but given that pagers also need a service to operate, who's the service operator if not Fury's Helicarrier?

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#103054: May 30th 2019 at 3:53:46 AM

[up] Carol modifies the pager with Kree tech. Who knows what it's running on, but it isn't any Earth network.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#103055: May 30th 2019 at 7:38:56 AM

Speaking of the Fantastic Four, I would kill to see them in a Spider-Verse style animated feature, with a look inspired by artists like Jack Kirby and John Byrne.

I mean, it's never going to happen, but still.

Edited by megaeliz on May 30th 2019 at 10:40:58 AM

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#103056: May 30th 2019 at 7:57:41 AM

I'd love to see most if not all superhero movies be given the Spider-Verse treatment, but alas.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#103057: May 30th 2019 at 8:03:08 AM

Like just imagine how cool it would be to truly bring this to the big screen.

Edited by megaeliz on May 30th 2019 at 11:08:27 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#103058: May 30th 2019 at 9:20:49 AM

Regarding the Falcon and Winter Soldier miniseries, one idea I've had is for them to use William Burnside note  as an antagonist.

After reading up a bit on Burnside to make sure this idea wasn't completely out there, it turns out that there's actually a storyline in the comics where he faces off against Bucky and Sam Wilson because he's working to overthrow what he sees as an overly progressive US government. So that's definitely something we can build from.

What I would suggest for Burnside is to start off as a someone who is independently trying to carry on Captain America's legacy. At first he's seen more as a curiosity by Sam and Bucky, sure he has some old fashioned views but he's fighting people who are unquestionably dangerous. However over the course of the series he goes on a downward spiral and broadens his targets to anyone he sees as a threat to his version of America. Which includes people like politicians, nonviolent activist groups, random interracial couples who are just minding their own business, etc. all while presenting himself as "Captain America".

This downward spiral is of course subtlety encouraged by Zemo, who see's Burnside's actions as beneficial for his own schemes.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#103059: May 30th 2019 at 9:23:39 AM

Here is a fan pitch for an Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel by Nando v Movies, the guy behind the "One Marvelous Scene" initiative.

Tl;dw It would introduce Eric O'Grady as a fugitive with a secret, Pym particle-generating SHIELD-built Ant-Man suit while a new A.I.M. would be built with M.O.D.O.C. at the head chasing him so they can use his Pym particles to do mad science.

As an aside, it still strikes me as weird that the MCU doesn't have much in the way of recurring villains. Sure, Loki and Thanos technically count, but both of them are out of the picture in terms of movies at this point. Like, killing off Klaw or Crossbones seem like missteps to me. And in terms of evil organizations with lots of mooks, HYDRA's been irrelevant since Age of Ultron, AIM was burned off in Iron Man 3 and the Hand was apparently turned boring in the Netflix shows. I say "apparently" because I haven't watched anything outside the first seasons of Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and the first half of Daredevil season 2.

Edited by Aleistar on May 30th 2019 at 12:26:29 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103060: May 30th 2019 at 9:26:09 AM

The Russos mentioned considering using Burnside as the villain of Captain America 3 before it became Civil War, although I don't know how seriously they were actually considering it.

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#103061: May 30th 2019 at 9:29:13 AM

I was gonna mention Vulture for Far from Home, but looking at the imdb of the film, Michael Keaton isn't mentioned. Which is weird because I could have sworn I saw some article stating he would return in some capacity, but it could be just some future Spider-man film.

Edited by 123tbones on May 30th 2019 at 9:30:21 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#103062: May 30th 2019 at 9:31:07 AM

[up][up] They had a pretty extensive contingency plan worked out if they couldn't do Civil Warnote . So if Burnside was part of that, then he was likely a very serious consideration.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#103063: May 30th 2019 at 9:33:38 AM

I was under the impression that Burnside was kicked around when they were still deciding what the film was going to be and that they decided early on that Tony would appear in the film, then it was after RDJ asked to have a much larger involvement in the story they decided to retooled it into Civil War, based on the dates of some of the articles on the matter.

They also mentioned going with chemically induced zombies as a plot idea if they couldn't use Civil War. If the Burnside idea is tied to that then you may be right.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 30th 2019 at 12:34:42 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#103064: May 30th 2019 at 10:46:36 AM

[up] Yeah, I'm not exactly sure on the specifics, but the fact that Burnside was discussed in any capacity for Cap 3 does lend credit to the idea that he could appear in Falcon and Winter Soldier (since it's essentially "Captain America 4, except it's a miniseries).

The reason I think Burnside is a good fit for the series is that with Bucky his conflict is Burnside's nostalgic view of past American greatness verse Bucky's actual experience of America's past.

With Sam the conflict is based on being a rival to Captain America's legacy. Perhaps at the beginning of the series Sam is still hesitant to fully embrace his role as Steve's chosen successor, but when Burnside starts committing increasingly villainous acts in the name of "Captain America" Sam decides to fully embrace the title to protect Steve's legacy.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103065: May 30th 2019 at 10:52:26 AM

Speaking of older ideas coming back again, I hope that idea they had of Android-Body Zola showing up in Ant-Man 1 actually gets realized in Ant-Man 3.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103066: May 30th 2019 at 11:06:29 AM

Well, I am pretty sure that the third Ant-man movie will be named Ant-man, the Waspp and Stinger/Stature. But I like the idea of a character who challenges Hanks idea of protecting his invention at all cost.

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#103067: May 30th 2019 at 11:22:49 AM

And then the fourth film will be called Ant-Man, The Wasp, Stature, and Knuckles.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
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Disasturbator
#103069: May 30th 2019 at 12:29:11 PM

Antman vs Deadpool

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#103071: May 30th 2019 at 12:43:28 PM

But will there be a new Funky Mode?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103072: May 30th 2019 at 12:48:35 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just named Ant-Man: Stature.

Another random theory: instead of being The Wasp’s archenemy, in this continuity Whirlwind is introduced as Stature’s archenemy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103074: May 30th 2019 at 10:21:49 PM

So both Black Widow and Shang-Chi are going to be filming around the same time? Perhaps those are the films released in 2020, with Eternals being released in 2021.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103075: May 30th 2019 at 10:45:54 PM

I still think that we will see the Black Widow movie first. It is odd enough that it is set after Endgame, it will be even odder if there is another movie being released first.


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