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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103001: May 27th 2019 at 8:48:05 PM

That's one of the awesome things about AOS's first season crossover — it's actually two sides of one story. We can see it from the Team Coulson's perspective first and then Cap's or Cap's perspective first and then Team Coulson and both make sense. It's pretty much the first of its kind.

Although I wish they did the same with Age of Ultron and Civil War, I totally understand why they couldn't. The first season of AOS was stymied by the fact that they couldn't even mention Hydra and the whole season seemed to spin its wheels until several episodes before the crossover. And due to the fact that, well, SHIELD no longer existed in the movies, they couldn't pull off similar feats.

Edited by alliterator on May 27th 2019 at 8:48:47 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103002: May 27th 2019 at 10:51:48 PM

The Battle of New York and the Fall of Hydra are my two favourite events in the MCU exactly because that are the two where we saw most of the fall-out outside the movies. That's why I hope that we will get some exploration of the fallout of Infinity War SOMEWHERE.

Edited by Swanpride on May 27th 2019 at 10:52:30 AM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#103003: May 28th 2019 at 8:19:36 AM

Jessica Jones final season to be released June 14th

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#103004: May 28th 2019 at 8:11:34 PM

Black Widow movie updates:

Random question, has Ben Grimm been anything before becoming The Thing? Special ops, black ops, bodyguard?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 28th 2019 at 11:16:01 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#103006: May 28th 2019 at 8:35:26 PM

I think he was a star athlete, but I forget whether that was 616 or Ultimate. It could be both because I remember it was more pronounced in Ultimate since Gary "Father of the Year" Richards loved Ben for his athletics more than Reed.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#103007: May 28th 2019 at 8:35:40 PM

I strongly doubt that the Fantastic Four will appear this shortly after gaining the rights.

This song needs more love.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103008: May 28th 2019 at 8:45:34 PM

As a cameo? Maybe. Those don't take an awful amount of effort to put together and insert.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 28th 2019 at 8:45:53 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#103009: May 28th 2019 at 8:49:20 PM

I need Johnny Storm to show up in a Spider-Man movie.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#103010: May 28th 2019 at 8:55:20 PM

I would love a Spidey / Johnny Storm movie. They could go up against Beetle.

Come to think of it, Beetle would be a pretty interesting enemy for MCU Spidey, given that the modern day appearances of the character(s) have them as basically a weaker, evil Iron Man powers wise. Plus it would be a nice lead-in to another character who'd be great for the Thunderbolts.

And - come to think of it even more - if they use the Janice Lincoln version of Beetle (composite her with Abner Jenkins, basically), that would also give us an in to use Tombstone.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 28th 2019 at 9:01:37 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103011: May 28th 2019 at 9:01:20 PM

I highly doubt that David Harbour is playing Ben Grimm. For one thing, he's definitely going to be in the movie more than a cameo and I don't think the MCU would introduce Ben before all of the other FF. Second, they had the Black Widow movie in preproduction before the Fox merger was complete.

I mean, I can definitely see him as Ben Grimm, but I doubt he is.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
rollin' on dubs
#103012: May 28th 2019 at 9:27:45 PM

The problem with a Fantastic Four movie - say "Fantastic Four" to Joe and Jane moviegoer and most will think about the crapfest that was Fan4stic a.k.a Fantastic Four 2015.

It's too soon IMHO, the public needs to have some breathing room and then we should get one done good and proper by the MCU.

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#103013: May 28th 2019 at 9:39:15 PM

I mean it'll be another five years at least before we even get that far. I doubt anyone will care about Fant4stic by that point.

Heck I'd be surprised if the average moviegoing audience even cares about it now.

Edited by LordVatek on May 28th 2019 at 12:39:28 PM

This song needs more love.
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103014: May 28th 2019 at 9:47:24 PM

Spider-Man was brought in only two years after The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and I don't see many people singing it's praises nowadays.

Yeah I know, the situation with the Fantastic Four is a completely different beast to what happened with Spider-Man. Spider-Man actually had a few good films before he joined the MCU, and is easily the most popular and well-known character from Marvel Comics. The Fantastic Four in the mean time have had three (technically four) films that have all been critically panned, and while they still popular, have definitely had trouble leaving an impact outside of comics for a long time. Not helped by the lack of promotion for the team in the past decade, and I can understand why it might take them a while to be integrated back into the MCU.

It'd still be easier than trying to bring the X-Men back in, that's for sure.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103015: May 28th 2019 at 9:47:49 PM

As long as it is part of the MCU, people will be interested.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#103016: May 28th 2019 at 9:51:49 PM

wild mass guessIf Black Widow turns out to be a prequel, Ben Grimm's going to be a friend of hers. There will be an after-credits scene where their search for her body in Vormir will be the inciting incident for the Fantastic Four getting their powers.

The legend has returned.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#103018: May 28th 2019 at 10:35:03 PM

The rumors that the 616 Ultimates will be adapted makes me suspect that Marvel intends them to occupy the niche of the Fantastic Four, for now, since they roughly occupy the same slot of "family-ish team on cosmic adventures, tangles with science, and Galactus", while Marvel waits for the stink of Fant4stic to fade away.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 28th 2019 at 10:35:18 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103019: May 28th 2019 at 11:06:05 PM

[up] The 616 Ultimates weren't a family, though, they were more like a think tank. They even broke up due to Civil War II and only got back together because Eternity needed them.

It would be silly to have the 616 Ultimates replace the FF since Marvel just got the rights to the FF back. I could see the 616 Ultimates taking on the role of the Guardians of the Galaxy though — something more like Cosmic Avengers, while the FF take on the "family of superheroes that explores the multiverse" stuff.

Edited by alliterator on May 28th 2019 at 11:07:27 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#103020: May 28th 2019 at 11:07:41 PM

They could barely stand each other.

My various fanfics.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103021: May 28th 2019 at 11:09:18 PM

The funniest part, though, was T'Challa Clark-Kenting it up by pretending to be an American while meeting Carol Danvers.

Edited by alliterator on May 28th 2019 at 11:09:36 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103022: May 28th 2019 at 11:11:20 PM

Oh please. If they start to develop now, the stink will be gone by the time the movie is ready.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#103023: May 28th 2019 at 11:21:54 PM

Hey, I can still smell the stink of the Fantastic Four cartoon. The best worst cartoon that ever was:

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#103024: May 28th 2019 at 11:24:20 PM

There's a buttery-smooth quality to this animation.

My various fanfics.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#103025: May 28th 2019 at 11:39:59 PM

Hey, at least it has a proper title song. I especially love that "the thing just loves to fight".


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