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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102976: May 26th 2019 at 6:32:15 PM

Same. I enjoyed it, but I can't deny it's a mess more interested in setting up future films than telling an engaging story of its own.

Does have one of my favorite non-action scenes in the entire MCU, though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102977: May 26th 2019 at 11:02:22 PM

Ironman 2 has a lot of great moments, they just don't really come together to a great story. But all the great moments are the reason why I don't have it quite at the bottom of my list.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#102978: May 27th 2019 at 12:25:27 AM

The plot of GOTG 3 seems to be about finding 2014!Gamora. So Thor's power level needn't be an issue as it's not necessarily a problem they will solve with fighting. And Adam Warlocks shtick has been his chess-master/manipulator aspects, again negating a physical power imbalance.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102979: May 27th 2019 at 12:27:42 AM

There's also a rumor that Beta Ray Bill will be in Got G 3 so that might help assuming it's true.

Edited by LordVatek on May 27th 2019 at 3:28:07 PM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102980: May 27th 2019 at 6:02:15 AM

Something funny that could happen with Adam Warlock.

Adam Warlock: Hello, could I join your group?

Quill: Wait a second, don't you hate us?

Adam Warlock: Of course not. Why I should?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102981: May 27th 2019 at 6:15:49 AM

I’ve also heard that the High Evolutionary will be in it and will be the one who created Rocket.

This is going to be a very busy movie if all these rumors are true. But I guess it could be a roulette pileup

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102982: May 27th 2019 at 6:20:37 AM

Honestly, remember all the rumours flying around before Got G Vol 2? The majority of them were absolutely wrong.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102983: May 27th 2019 at 6:32:15 AM

A post about how Steve, Bucky and Sam typify the 3 big wars america’s fought in over the past century.

In short, Steve typifies WW 2, Bucky typifies the Vietnamese War and Sam typifies the soldier who fought in Afghanistan.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102984: May 27th 2019 at 6:41:55 AM

that's an interesting observation...now I really want them to meet Hank properly, since he is the "cold war" soldier….but then, Natasha kind of represents this type of soldier...

Edited by Swanpride on May 27th 2019 at 6:50:13 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102985: May 27th 2019 at 8:22:46 AM

Someone on Twitter had a pretty hilarious idea for how to introduce Deadpool into the MCU.

Reveal him to be NoobMaster69, the Fortnite troll from Endgame.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 27th 2019 at 11:23:21 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102986: May 27th 2019 at 1:42:09 PM

I prefer the theory that NoobMaster69 is Wong.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#102987: May 27th 2019 at 2:34:32 PM

A new video from Screen Junkies' Hal Rudnik, The Impact of Avengers Endgame, where he analyzes the effects of the Snap and the aftermath of the world after the victims come back. The discussion includes both therapists, doctors and lawyers who explain what would likely happen to everyone legally, physically and psychologically. It's pretty interesting.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102988: May 27th 2019 at 2:40:06 PM

Another day, another rumor: David Morrissey, a veteran from The Walking Dead, is being considered for a role in the MCU.

And remember that theory of introducing Deadpool in the next MCU!Spider-Man movie? Wade's maker Rob Liefeld kinda points out the big hiccup in the scenario.

Or rather, he's just questioning the finer details.

EDIT: Another rumor claims Deadpool WON'T be in MCU!Spider-Man 3, but Sony REALLY wants Tom Hardy's Venom to show up.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 27th 2019 at 5:45:42 AM

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#102989: May 27th 2019 at 4:19:08 PM

Considering his dumbfounded reaction when Sony execs on the red carpet said Venom could join the MCU, Feige(and Disney) is probably thinking:

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102990: May 27th 2019 at 4:29:23 PM

[up][up]As much as I enjoy the Bromantic Venom, you think he can logically show? The dynamic with the symbiotic and Eddie is vastly different thanks to the Adaptational Heroism at play.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#102991: May 27th 2019 at 4:59:17 PM

I'd personally be very interested in seeing how Venom would interact with Spider Man in a reality where they never had any reason to hate him.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102992: May 27th 2019 at 5:05:41 PM

In a perfect world we'd just skip straight to Agent Venom and pass over Eddie Brock.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102993: May 27th 2019 at 5:12:58 PM

No Cosmic Defender though.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#102994: May 27th 2019 at 5:16:56 PM

[up],[up]x2 [awesome]

[up]x3 I mean, at that point, it'd probably boil down to standard Hero v. Anti-Hero proceedings with some Mythology Gags thrown in. Ultimately, the film would have to spend a significant amount of time developing a relationship between them that would only be an approximation of Eddie and Peter enmity in the main 616 verse.

Edited by Aleistar on May 27th 2019 at 8:17:24 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102995: May 27th 2019 at 5:21:14 PM

[up]x3 - I like what they did with Venom. And MCU Flash? Yeah, that makes no sense.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#102996: May 27th 2019 at 5:25:09 PM

Oh hey, Winter Soldier came on TV and I have some time. Time to check this out in full.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102997: May 27th 2019 at 5:30:03 PM

Logically the best way to recreate the Symbiote & Peter’s relationship could be Eddie being separated from it for whatever reason, then it attaching itself to Pete & growing attached to him, & when Eddie comes back he becomes conflicted as to whether it should stay with Pete or come back to Eddie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102998: May 27th 2019 at 5:30:42 PM

To be fair, Agent Venom doesn’t make a lot of sense for 616 Flash either if you look at just his high school days. Flash is kind of a late bloomer, character wise: Agent Venom is believable because of the way the character changed over decades of existence.

But that means it’d be really hard to put it in a film series unless that series lasted a really long time (or started with the characters already past some of that development, which Homecoming does not).

As for Eddie... eh. Movie Venom is so fully built to be his own character that he fits no more or less in movie Peter’s world than any other hero. So while they could put him in Spidey 3, that connection between the two characters they would likely be banking on isn’t there any more. They would have a rebuild one, like the one they gave between Peter and Iron Man, and that point you risk what makes the “Peter and Venom in the same movie” idea in the first place. So I’m neutral about it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 27th 2019 at 5:33:34 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#102999: May 27th 2019 at 8:16:59 PM

Right, so that's Winter Soldier under my belt finally. Even got to watch it with my folks who aren't quite as enthusiastic about all these bloody superhero movies as I am.

Really cool movie with awesome action, I liked it. The impact is a bit lost on me since I saw it five years later and I was already spoiled on its big twists, but I can respect it for being a well-crafted and pretty topical story. Doesn't quite crack my top 5 for the franchise, but I'm glad I saw it finally.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#103000: May 27th 2019 at 8:40:27 PM

I remember when I first saw Captain America: The Winter Soldier, it was a few weeks after it had been out in theaters. I learned about the HYDRA twist when I watched the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode "Turn, Turn, Turn", which aired the about a week after the initial release date.

Let me tell you, that was a hell of a way to have that twist spoiled to me. That episode's already one of the best in the series, so going in blind was a real journey. When I actually did get around to watching Winter Soldier, I was surprised that how slow the HYDRA reveal was. Zola drip feeds the revelation, with the full scope of the twist growing across the scene. In SHIELD, it pretty much dropped everything all at once. Both are effective ways of handling the reveal, it was just a different viewing experience for me. However, I do wonder how many people watched the episode before they saw Winter Soldier.

Another thing about watching SHIELD first? That episode claimed that Fury died and it wasn't until a couple episodes later do the characters learn that he faked his death. So I thought Fury was actually Killed Off for Real until I saw people discussing the episode online.


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